Worldwide Pentecostal Fellowship - Articles of Faith

[Pastor Keith]

Originally Posted by ChicagoPastor

This post might get me in trouble but
Didn't Johnny Godair say he wasn't leaving the UPC? Didn't he tell preachers at different conferences that he wasn't going anywhere??
Didn't Booker say he had no intention of starting another organization?
Wasn't it said that Wilson would NEVER leave the UPC?
Haven't A LOT of them said things that have now been proven to be untrue?

What do you call it when people say one thing and then do another?
hmm...

I'm calling out all you Tulsa defenders! A few months ago, you guys wanted to pretend like nothing was going on but just a simple fellowship of "like minded" ministers....what do you have to say now?

deception, sounds like a good word to me.

well according to some definitions that some on here espouse, it's called false prophecy and that would make them a false prophet.

Originally Posted by ChicagoPastor

yea, that's all that happened. They just changed there minds...LOL

I think some had it in the back of their minds for a while and I can't see why they would leave.

You can't advertise on TV and then say it's wrong to own one and not either make some people mad or confused.

[freeatlast]

(II Kings 9:3) dyes, and any other artifice, as well as immodest apparel, are viewed as attempts to artificially induce beauty


I can't figure out how they get dyes from out of II Kings 9:3 ????

[stmatthew]

Originally Posted by ChicagoPastor

This post might get me in trouble but
Didn't Johnny Godair say he wasn't leaving the UPC? Didn't he tell preachers at different conferences that he wasn't going anywhere??
Didn't Booker say he had no intention of starting another organization?
Wasn't it said that Wilson would NEVER leave the UPC?
Haven't A LOT of them said things that have now been proven to be untrue?

What do you call it when people say one thing and then do another?
hmm...

I'm calling out all you Tulsa defenders! A few months ago, you guys wanted to pretend like nothing was going on but just a simple fellowship of "like minded" ministers....what do you have to say now?

deception, sounds like a good word to me.

I posted on this recently in the Tab. Initially, as I understood it, there was originally only going to be a loose fellowship. Over time, that turned into a license for those leaving UPC, and a fellowship card for those staying UPC. The end result (which may have been in the mind of the organizers initially) is that the WFP is a bona fide organization complete with diverse departments.

As far as who was staying or going, I have never commented on, as I have heard to many conflicting versions.

Here it lists their part of their intent:

The Preamble of the Worldwide Pentecostal Fellowship is an articulation of its general intent and purpose. The formation of WPF is an outgrowth of the changing times and directions within the North American apostolic movement and is the result of a constellation of events and decisions which have shaped apostolic direction for some time—some, we fear, for the worse, and ours hopefully for the better.

[freeatlast]

(Isaiah 3:16-24 RSV, I Peter 3:1-5) and replace the lost glow of God’s glory as seen in the face of the believer as well as in the heavens. All this is scripturally associated with Jezebel, who is both an Old Testament

If they want to use this verse they need to keep it in context.
vs 24 says instead of perfume there will be rotteness " .... OK ladies dab a dead carp under your arms.

and instead of wearing a belt you are commanded to wear a rope.

and then instead of well set hair, baldness.......well there you have it..you ladies are commanded to quit fixin your hair and shave it bald !!


Doncha just lone the inconsistency of scripture used to try to impose "holiness doctrines" on people

[Wink]

simply put it is in mans nature to create factions. Simply raising the possibility that some human spirit could be involved.

Just a quick count....i have personally ministered for 11 of the people on the board/committee
and consider some of them good friends. I would hope that the motivation for this is based more
on a true leading of the Holy Ghost than a personal desire or issue.

I also hope that the proponents of the proposition pushed that agenda based on a true God given
burden to further evangelize the world and not to create a paradigm shift in the fellowship.

I personally am saddened by what looks like a splintering in our fellowship. As i said in an earlier post i guess the apostolic hospital is out of the question now unless we have different wards..tv rooms...no tv rooms I can hear the board of directors now trying to sort this out. Are stethoscopes

considered jewelry? Nurses wear hair up or down...splits no splits the list goes on and on.

This may seem a little far fetched but the sad matter is all of the other denominations have hospitals......... but this is more than just about hospitals.

So many towns i go to i have to hear how bad the neighboring pastor is..he's too loose....he's a radical....the devil loves this.

He dont have to cut our heads off and put us in prison when he can divide the people of the name.

Max Lucado wrote in one of his books about he and his brothers and dad going on a fishing trip.
They rented a cabin on the lake and the first day it rained them out. They had a great time playing games, eating popcorn and watching the fire.

The second day it rained even harder and by the end of the day they became bored and then started disagreements which escalated into fights and arguments.

the moral of the story

IF YOU DONT FISH YOU FIGHT!!!

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by Wink

The latent causes of faction are thus sown in the nature of man; and we see them everywhere brought into different degrees of activity, according to the different circumstances of civil society. A zeal for different opinions concerning religion, concerning government, and many other points, as well of speculation as of practice; an attachment to different leaders ambitiously contending for pre-eminence and power; or to persons of other descriptions whose fortunes have been interesting to the human passions, have, in turn, divided mankind into parties, inflamed them with mutual animosity, and rendered them much more disposed to vex and oppress each other than to co-operate for their common good. So strong is this propensity of mankind to fall into mutual animosities, that where no substantial occasion presents itself, the most frivolous and fanciful distinctions have been sufficient to kindle their unfriendly passions and excite their most violent conflicts.

James Madison


Human Spirit?

What a great quote! I love that. So true...about human nature.

As i said in an earlier post i guess the apostolic hospital is out of the question now unless we have different wards..tv rooms...no tv rooms I can hear the board of directors now trying to sort this out. Are stethoscopes

considered jewelry? Nurses wear hair up or down...splits no splits the list goes on and on.

[ChicagoPastor]

Originally Posted by stmatthew

I posted on this recently in the Tab. Initially, as I understood it, there was originally only going to be a loose fellowship. Over time, that turned into a license for those leaving UPC, and a fellowship card for those staying UPC. The end result (which may have been in the mind of the organizers initially) is that the WFP is a bona fide organization complete with diverse departments.

As far as who was staying or going, I have never commented on, as I have heard to many conflicting versions.

I just remember alll the "Tulsa defenders" posting that some of us were blowing the whole thing out of proportion...yada yada yada


I do not believe that the organizers have not just changed their mind and decided to make it an organization. This was their intent all along and those they tried to convince us that this was not true have either been decieved or are part of the deception.

[Coonskinner]

Originally Posted by ChicagoPastor

I just remember alll the "Tulsa defenders" posting that some of us were blowing the whole thing out of proportion...yada yada yada


I do not believe that the organizers have not just changed their mind and decided to make it an organization. This was their intent all along and those they tried to convince us that this was not true have either been decieved or are part of the deception.

It must be nice to be able to read the hearts of men over the internet.

I think this thing has evolved since it first started.

I believe the original intent of most of them or at least some of them was to remain in the UPC.

Over time, it became increasingly clear that it would not be feasible.

You are pretty bold to call those men liars, plainly and unabashedly.

If you just happen to be wrong, guess what that makes you?

An accuser of the brethren, and a false accuser at that.

There is already one of those, and he doesn't need your help.