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[Apprehended]

Originally Posted by Rev

There was a scripture that always bothered me. Here it is....

(Acts 4:30) By stretching forth thine hand to heal; and that signs and wonders may be done by the name of thy holy child Jesus.
(Acts 4:31) And when they had prayed, the place was shaken where they were assembled together; and they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and they spake the word of God with boldness.

These were people that already had the Holy Ghost so why does it say they were filled with the Holy Ghost?

Then I read something about this scripture.....

(Eph 5:18) And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;

In the Greek it means to continue to be filled! So we don't just get filled one time but you continue to be filled over and over.

That is right, in my humble opinion...sometimes more humble than others

Anyway, that gets back to what some of the old timers used to say about being short of being filled up with it. I certainly do believe as it is in my own life that there are times that you are more filled than the others. It is God's desire that we live in that filled realm at all times. I'm not really sure that is possible...if not for the fact that the human condition does not allow it to be possible. There are times that I have asked God to lift off me some for fear of dying. He did, but the glory continues on.

Yes, we need to be filled with the Holy Ghost again and again as your scripture above so indicates. I know many people that God the Holy Ghost 30 years ago but has never been filled since. In fact, many have been filled with the Holy Ghost but have been backslidden 29 years and 364 days since. But, they will carry on as though they just got the Holy Ghost. Hypocrites are not an unknown thing today.

There are times that I get hungry to be filled again. When I feel that hunger coming on, I know that it is just a matter of time that I will surrender to that call and then find a place to have yet another (among many during my life) encounter with the glory and fire to be filled all over again.

Seasons are neccessary in our lives. There will be the Spring when April showers bring the rains followed by May flowers when the earth brings forth her beauty and fragrance. Then we have our summers of growth followed by a harvest in our lives. Finally, we all go through the Winter of the soul. It is during that Winter that we come to have that irresistable yearnings for the freshness of Spring once again. In fact, there are times that you cannot force yourself to have as deep and glorious prayer as you have at other times. It is just a season. There are other times that you are filled again...even to the point that you almost can't help being filled as the thirst soul and heart looks up to the rain clouds of heaven's glory.

[Rev]

Originally Posted by Apprehended

That is right, in my humble opinion...sometimes more humble than others

Anyway, that gets back to what some of the old timers used to say about being short of being filled up with it. I certainly do believe as it is in my own life that there are times that you are more filled than the others. It is God's desire that we live in that filled realm at all times. I'm not really sure that is possible...if not for the fact that the human condition does not allow it to be possible. There are times that I have asked God to lift off me some for fear of dying. He did, but the glory continues on.

Yes, we need to be filled with the Holy Ghost again and again as your scripture above so indicates. I know many people that God the Holy Ghost 30 years ago but has never been filled since. In fact, many have been filled with the Holy Ghost but have been backslidden 29 years and 364 days since. But, they will carry on as though they just got the Holy Ghost. Hypocrites are not an unknown thing today.

There are times that I get hungry to be filled again. When I feel that hunger coming on, I know that it is just a matter of time that I will surrender to that call and then find a place to have yet another (among many during my life) encounter with the glory and fire to be filled all over again.

Seasons are neccessary in our lives. There will be the Spring when April showers bring the rains followed by May flowers when the earth brings forth her beauty and fragrance. Then we have our summers of growth followed by a harvest in our lives. Finally, we all go through the Winter of the soul. It is during that Winter that we come to have that irresistable yearnings for the freshness of Spring once again. In fact, there are times that you cannot force yourself to have as deep and glorious prayer as you have at other times. It is just a season. There are other times that you are filled again...even to the point that you almost can't help being filled as the thirst soul and heart looks up to the rain clouds of heaven's glory.

There's a question for you on the bottom of page five if you don't mind.

[Apprehended]

Originally Posted by Rev

Apprehended

I have a question for you and anyone else that has a good answer. If the Lord shows or tells you that he is going to do something do you still pray for it to happen or do you just wait?

All promises are given in heaven and are tenuous depending upon the faith manifested by the one who has received the promise to claim it.

I have experience in these things.

When the promise comes:

1. Acknowledge it before the Lord as TRUTH.

2. Prayerfully give God thanks for it.

3. Then, do something toward planning for that promise to manifest.

4. Continually acknowledge, giving thanks, acting as though that promise will be manifested in the realm in which it was promised.

5. The above is faith manifested, but it must be based on the Word of God apart from which there can be no living faith.

6. Therefore, find a scripture upon which you can make your unmovable, unshakable stand.

7. Finally, when the tempter comes to steal your promise, withstand him as did Jesus in the Mountain of temptation, with the Word of God and especially the scritpure upon which you have chosen to make your stand.

All things of God are available to us. However, they are not in the natural realm being only in the heavenly realm. They will remain there in the heavenly realm and will never become manifested in the natural realm until you learn how to take hold on those things in the heavenly realm with the hands of faith which hold to it until it is transfered into the natural and manifested or made know and real to us in the natural.

Creation did not come out of nothing. In fact, that is not even good sense, though you may have heard it said many times. Creation came out of a substance...a spiritual substance which is the Word of God. That is what faith is. It is THE SUBSTANCE of things hoped for...

[Rev]

Originally Posted by Apprehended

All promises are given in heaven and are tenuous depending upon the faith manifested by the one who has received the promise to claim it.

I have experience in these things.

When the promise comes:

1. Acknowledge it before the Lord as TRUTH.

2. Prayerfully give God thanks for it.

3. Then, do something toward planning for that promise to manifest.

4. Continually acknowledge, giving thanks, acting as though that promise will be manifested in the realm in which it was promised.

5. The above is faith manifested, but it must be based on the Word of God apart from which there can be no living faith.

6. Therefore, find a scripture upon which you can make your unmovable, unshakable stand.

7. Finally, when the tempter comes to steal your promise, withstand him as did Jesus in the Mountain of temptation, with the Word of God and especially the scritpure upon which you have chosen to make your stand.

All things of God are available to us. However, they are not in the natural realm being only in the heavenly realm. They will remain there in the heavenly realm and will never become manifested in the natural realm until you learn how to take hold on those things in the heavenly realm with the hands of faith which hold to it until it is transfered into the natural and manifested or made know and real to us in the natural.

Creation did not come out of nothing. In fact, that is not even good sense, though you may have heard it said many times. Creation came out of a substance...a spiritual substance which is the Word of God. That is what faith is. It is THE SUBSTANCE of things hoped for...

Well said!

[crazyjoe]

...back to the original subject....has anyone read a pamphlet written by Don Brumley called "What Must We Do"?...It's red in color and used to be available from PPH....It compares and connects the salvation teachings of Jesus, Peter, and Paul and shows the Oneness of the Godhead....very concise and factual...wish I could get some more of these.... very effective when given to potential converts.....

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Rev

...
Then I read something about this scripture.....

(Eph 5:18) And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;

In the Greek it means to continue to be filled! So we don't just get filled one time but you continue to be filled over and over.

Peter was baptized/filled with the Holy Spirit along with the others on that day of Pentecost as recorded in Acts 2:1-4
In Acts 4:8 it says, "Then Peter, filled with the Holy Ghost, said unto them,.."
so he was filled anew or re-filled.
Then, he must have been among them when they prayed and were (re)filled as recorded in Acts 4:23-31

some thoughts on Eph 5:18
Kenneth Hagin paraphrased this as "be being filled."
Jack Hayford says it means "be ongoingly filled."
Kenneth Wuest in his translation says "be constantly controlled by the Holy Spirit"

And I have a note written there (don't know where it came from) that says:
this is in the imperative mode, it is a command
this is in the present tense which means it is continuous
this is in the plural number so it refers to all those who read it
and it is in the passive voice which means the subject is acted upon by the Spirit-we don't fill ourselves

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Sam

Peter was baptized/filled with the Holy Spirit along with the others on that day of Pentecost as recorded in Acts 2:1-4
In Acts 4:8 it says, "Then Peter, filled with the Holy Ghost, said unto them,.."
so he was filled anew or re-filled.
Then, he must have been among them when they prayed and were (re)filled as recorded in Acts 4:23-31

some thoughts on Eph 5:18
Kenneth Hagin paraphrased this as "be being filled."
Jack Hayford says it means "be ongoingly filled."
Kenneth Wuest in his translation says "be constantly controlled by the Holy Spirit"

And I have a note written there (don't know where it came from) that says:
this is in the imperative mode, it is a command
this is in the present tense which means it is continuous
this is in the plural number so it refers to all those who read it
and it is in the passive voice which means the subject is acted upon by the Spirit-we don't fill ourselves

Saul of Tarsus met the resurrected Christ on the road outside Damascus. Traditional date for this was January 25, A.D. 32. At that time he believed in Jesus and confessed Him as Lord (Rom 10:9-13)
Three days later, a disciple named Ananias came to him and said, "Brother Saul, the Lord Jesus... has sent me hath sent me that thou mightest receive thy sight and be filled with the Holy Ghost..." Acts 9:17. (Some of us Apostolics believe that Saul was born of the Spirit on the Damascus Road and then three days later received the HGB (Holy Ghost Baptism) or a filling of the Spirit or an empowering of the Spirit. Other Apostolics believe he repented on the Damascus Road and was born of the Spirit three days later. Let's not get into that discussion here --we've pretty well beat that to death in the past.) Then, in Acts 13:9 (spring or summer A.D. 47) it speaks of him as "filled with the Holy Ghost."

[Apprehended]

Sam,

both of your previous posts are very, very good...as always, brother.

Many of the early Apostolic pioneers confessed to having the Holy Ghost before their baptism as evidenced by speaking in tongues after the revelation of it commencing in the earliest part of 1900s.

They would not deny their salvation before actually speaking in tongues. Seems to be some change in that thought nowadays.

[Apprehended]

Before this thread dies entirely,

There are four books that I would recommend to anyone who would like to have a very firm understanding of the Present day pentecostal history.

1. John Alexander Dowie by Gordon Lindsay

2. The Life of Charles F. Parham, 1873 - 1029 by his wife

3. Out of Zion Into All the World, by Gordon Gardiner

4. Azusa Street, by Frank Bartleman

finally:

5. The Winds of God by Ethel E. Goss

The reading of these five books will be a real eye-opener. It will give the reader a firm understanding of where we come from.

The one other book that I would highly recommend is "The Revelation of Jesus Christ, by Frank J. Ewart

Now, as I wave good-bye to this thread as it disappears into its own sunset, I want to say that reading these books will give you a deeper hunger for the old paths and might even set some of us to go back and seek those things that are almost faded away from among us today. I pray that the Spirit of God will stir our hearts with hunger to cause us to seek him as they did so earnestly just a century ago.

[Kay B]

Originally Posted by cneasttx

Amazon has some used copies of Bro. Urshan's book Prayer The Supreme Need Of The Hour.

I received my order today of this book.