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Old 06-30-2010, 12:15 AM
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What were his critiques?

It's been YEARS since I read the book, but I recall it having such a positive profound impact on my life, and inspiring a desire to pursue God deeper.
I read it several years ago and don't really remember anything about it.
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Old 06-30-2010, 12:18 AM
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I've got a reel to reel recorder and cassette recorder/player. Can transfer to computer then to CD or DVD. Let me if I can be of help.

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CD would be good.
Can you email it to me as a file?
I'm not sure what format it would be in, I guess whatever plays on iTunes
maybe it's AIFF?
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Old 06-30-2010, 12:27 AM
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CD would be good.
Can you email it to me as a file?
I'm not sure what format it would be in, I guess whatever plays on iTunes
maybe it's AIFF?
Didn't mean I had what you were looking for. Just have the equipment to transfer from reel to reel, cassette or whatever format someone might have a selection on. The only thing I don't have is 8 track. Doubt there are many of those floating around.

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Old 06-30-2010, 01:42 AM
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Even in the absence of "integration with the rest of Christendom," I think everyone would benefit from at least interaction with the rest of Christendom.
And that does happen too.
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Old 06-30-2010, 01:46 AM
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Maybe integration is too strong a word for Oneness folks. But yes they should interact more with the rest of the Christian world.
Will the rest of the Christian world welcome it? Will they allow it? Do they interact with Oneness?

There already is a lot of interaction in certain areas. It's not all "those OPs"...since many look down on OPs as cultists, they really don't want any interaction other than debate.

David Bernard is a member of a Pentecostal group that is not strictly Oneness. There is presented a paper on the Oneness. Our leaders have met with AOG leaders and others for open dialogs too. But other segments of "Christianity" you might find harder to get interaction from
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I think there is a danger for Oneness folks because when education begins they have to start tossing some of the nonsense, so mail order degrees are good to keep people in their place. Someone already mentioned most of them leave when they get an education.
Someone mentioned that, but where is the evidence?
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Many are terrified of that. They don't know how to act if they're not sending everybody else to hell - including a good number of the closer brethren.

But I think in the long run it would be beneficial. First of all, it would be the honest and decent thing to do. That's good for us. Secondly, 90% of adult human beings don't want to live their lives in such a tortured and manipulative manner - so it does represent a chance for real growth.

This whole "Three Step or Hell" thing is dying. It simply cannot be maintained in a world with a free flow of information. Too many lies have to be told to substantiate the whole house of cards.

We've built a house of cards on a foundation of sand, and we wonder why our kids drop out of church as soon as they're educated.
Pel, kids are dropping out of churches all across America, not just Oneness. If they are dropping out of OP churches I'd venture it has more to do with the standards than 3 step
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I am about 25 pages behindon this thread, so my opinion on the suggested new Bible translation:

I personally believe this would be a TERRIBLE move for the oneness movement. For many OBVIOUS reasons.

I like what Baron said, IF they're dead set on it, do a study Bible. But they already did that with the Word Aflame Bible with OP doctrine in the front.

But as for a New Oneness Translation--NO WAY.
Id rather see an extensive exegetical commentary..not done by some country bumpkin preacher, but men like Segraves and others
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If I can get a copy of it again I will be posting it somewhere.
I think Tragedies of War needs to be published online along with a video interview of Loren. Also would love to publish a live interview with Ruth Nortje Goss.
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