Apostolic Feminists

[Felicity]

Originally Posted by Newman

Which one?

Newman dear.....

You're a lawyer - you know how to do research. Go back and find it. It's only a few pages back.

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by Felicity

I don't remember if I said that. I may have.

I was just going to make a post about the fact that we all (as husbands and wives) bargain with one another sometimes or use the art of persuasion perhaps. That's one thing. That's not a bad thing. That isn't being manipulative or controlling in the negative sense.

It's also not about using beauty or sex in a deceptive devious manner to accomplish something or other and to get our own way. There's a difference.

LOL! TB said here a couple minutes ago that you were agreeing with me. I said, "Oh no she isn't!!"

Lol.....I am agreeing that I don't use this - haven't ever and won't ever.

It's a matter of interpretation on the words you are using - persuasion/controlling/manipulative - - - can all mean the same thing and can absolutely get the same results!

Also, we aren't just talking about deceptive and devious - - manipulating doesn't have to mean it's deceptive and devious.

[Felicity]

Originally Posted by Truly Blessed

Just my 2 cents worth and I will leave the room so you ladies can finish your discussion without interruption. I just want to say that I happen to personally know most of the same women that Felicity is referencing and I have to say that I never saw these women using their sexuality in a manipulative way in public. Now, what went on within the privacy of someone's home, only they would know. However, I think I'm going to call up some of my good male friends and tell them to wipe the satisfied look off their face, that they are probably not the lover boys they think. They are actually being used by their wives.

Friend

I think I will start a campaign that requires all married women to take a lie detector test following sex.

POTD!!!!

[Felicity]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

Thanks for your great sense of humor!! Now, tip-toe on out of here....

No way! I want him to stay!! Hehe!

Originally Posted by Felicity

Oh my word Rhonda. I can't believe you said that.

When I want a favour from my boss, I do not manipulate in any way. I simply show him respect and honour, do my best to please him in my work and then ASK him for what I want. It works!

Nor would I, but we are talking about married women, not a boss. I'd never view my boss in such a way, that's just creepy...

Originally Posted by Felicity

I have never acted in any kind of sexually suggestive manner or used femininity as any kind of leverage.

Nor have I .

Originally Posted by Felicity

Don't judge me based on what you do or don't do.

That far enough.

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by Felicity

'Kay...... gonna say this.

1. If these teen girls are using their femininity, attractive looks, bodies etc. in a manipulative way to attract guys and get into relationships with them that is based solely on the physical then it needs to be addressed. So credit goes to JS for that if this is what she is doing.

2. If she is saying that when choosing a partner for life you need to be looking for more than mere physical attractiveness and charm, then good for her because it's true.

3. Again ... I say that what young women and men should be hearing is that they need to live consecrated sold out lives seeking the will of God in regard to their future and future spouse as well.

And they need to be taught as well that there are qualities to be looking for in a mate that go beyond looks and personality and a great body that will make for a solid quality marriage that will stand the test of time.

I guess I just kind of thought that this is kind of normal stuff that young people in apostolic churches would be hearing from youth leaders and pastors and parents at home too.

Newman, I'll do your research for you.

That was a little low Felicity.

[Felicity]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

Lol.....I am agreeing that I don't use this - haven't ever and won't ever.

It's a matter of interpretation on the words you are using - persuasion/controlling/manipulative - - - can all mean the same thing and can absolutely get the same results!

Also, we aren't just talking about deceptive and devious - - manipulating doesn't have to mean it's deceptive and devious.

But I have made it PERFECTLY CLEAR I'm talking about the nasty deceptive, devious, controlling, selfish kind of manipulation.

[Felicity]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

Newman, I'll do your research for you.

That was a little low Felicity.

I don't think so.

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by Felicity

No way! I want him to stay!! Hehe!

Lol.....


So next time you tell him you guys are out of milk and need to go to the grocery store - - he'll wonder if you are trying to manipulate him!!!!!!

[Felicity]

I just feel sorry for all those women who have to "fake it".