I have Left the UPC Church - Page 52

BreakingFree · #**511** 06-20-2007, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by NLYP

In respect to Epelys post...herein lies the problem.

They preach the outward donts so hard that the person questions it all when the questioning begins. Just remember this...the Acts 2:38 message is the new birth...water and spirit. Please from my soul dont question that.
I am sorry if your experience with the UPC was one of such that would make you consider throwing it all away. That is sad.

Remember this....you are a child of God....the Bible plan of salvation made you that.....HOLD ON TO THAT!

As far as the other stuff.......let it go...get your Bible...get alone with God...listen to the voice of conviction and let it mold and shape your holiness...not a pulpit!
Listen to your Pastor...then pray and ask God. Dont obey him out of fear or intimidation...but listen and pray.

Epely..as far as your comment...standards first.....doctrine second...my answer is simple...IF you guys would quit corrupting truth with your rules, regulations, dogmas, creeds and man made nonsence and quit preaching it like its part of the cross, and the new birth message and let the Holy Ghost do its thing....they would not question it.
BUT when they see the light of some of this nonsence it causes them to question the whole ball of wax....WE are guilty of the questioning...not them...US!

Well I'm about ready to have church right now. This is the nail on the head right here. Thank you.

Michlow · #**512** 06-20-2007, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by CC1

I am uncomfortable anytime someone is in a period of flux and questioning regarding their belief system.

It is definitely a time of danger. A time in which one can get off in a ditch or so untethered they never make it back to the safe harbor of a church family where they can be ministered to by the five fold ministry.

There is no "joy" that Mich or anybody else might be "looking the liberal way". If she completes this journey still believing the essentials of Christianity and commits herself to a body of believers then all will be well. If she ends up another wandering soul unsure of everything and unable to commit to a pastor and church body then I wish to God she had stopped the pendelum when it had swung back to conservative UPC.

The good news is that I am stubborn, and I am determined to know God!

Michlow · #**513** 06-20-2007, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by BreakingFree

Well I'm about ready to have church right now. This is the nail on the head right here. Thank you.

Can I just mention again, how glad I am that you are here?

Malvaro · #**514** 06-20-2007, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by CC1

I am uncomfortable anytime someone is in a period of flux and questioning regarding their belief system.

It is definitely a time of danger. A time in which one can get off in a ditch or so untethered they never make it back to the safe harbor of a church family where they can be ministered to by the five fold ministry.

There is no "joy" that Mich or anybody else might be "looking the liberal way". If she completes this journey still believing the essentials of Christianity and commits herself to a body of believers then all will be well. If she ends up another wandering soul unsure of everything and unable to commit to a pastor and church body then I wish to God she had stopped the pendelum when it had swung back to conservative UPC.

ummmmmmm I think that's the current dilemma....

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Originally Posted by Michlow

That is not an option, as there is nothing in my area that fits that criteria. My choices are similar to Coop's actually. To remain unchurched or to attend an non-apostolic church.

a) so its either go back to a UPC church that she obviously doesn't agree with for various reasons
b) stay unchurched which is dangerous as you've already mentioned or
c) move to place where there is some truth-preaching church (con, mod or otherwise)

I'm sure Keith4Him would mention the possibility of a "house-church" but I can't even recommend that as an option because Michlow is currently questioning the doctrine, in addition to everything else....

BreakingFree · #**515** 06-20-2007, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Michlow

Can I just mention again, how glad I am that you are here?

Thanks! Me too! For a minute there, I thought I was on the wrong site, but nope, APOSTOLIC and FRIENDS is really at the top of the page!

Michlow · #**516** 06-20-2007, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Malvaro

ummmmmmm I think that's the current dilemma....

a) so its either go back to a UPC church that she obviously doesn't agree with for various reasons
b) stay unchurched which is dangerous as you've already mentioned or
c) move to place where there is some truth-preaching church (con, mod or otherwise)

I'm sure Keith4Him would mention the possibility of a "house-church" but I can't even recommend that as an option because Michlow is currently questioning the doctrine, in addition to everything else....

Questioning it? yes. Ready to throw it out the window like garbage? no.

Even if I get to the point where I think maybe it doesn't HAVE to be done "our" way, I don't think I will ever stop thinking that it is the BEST way.

BTW, questioning doesn't mean giving up on. I questioned standards for years before I gave up on them. And in the course of questioning, I studied those on both sides of the issue. Not just one. I would have no problem with an apostolic house church, with certain exceptions of course, (Like if it was ultra con!

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BreakingFree · #**517** 06-20-2007, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Malvaro

my response completely shocked the saint, but it showed my stance toward people.... I hate the sin, but love the sinner.... ...

Now that's exactly what we want. This is great! I had to laugh that you shocked the saint - I mean, wow, you are actually living what the bible says. This is what it is really all about, good job!

Michlow · #**518** 06-20-2007, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by BreakingFree

Thanks! Me too! For a minute there, I thought I was on the wrong site, but nope, APOSTOLIC and FRIENDS is really at the top of the page!

Ahhhh....welcome to the world wide apostolic wrestling federation!

BreakingFree · #**519** 06-20-2007, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Michlow

Ahhhh....welcome to the world wide apostolic wrestling federation!

sola gratia · #**520** 06-20-2007, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Lois already has a forum for all you enlightened folks. You can go over there and lick each other's supposed wounds. As the saying is "You can't handle the truth."

Bro Epley you sir in all kindness, and all respect... why do you have to act arrogant, and self righteous? I dont understand that....

I must confess your posts make me glad I dropped what I have dropped... Your fear based christianty has no place in faith filled people, who accept the work of the cross as thier atonement and the blood of Christ as their cleansing!