Was it necessary to repeal DADT? - Page 51

Jason B · #**501** 12-28-2010, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoovie

And I too am happy for that. I really think you are and even Mr. Smith - though I doubt those feeling have reciprocation from him.

I would truly like to know, with all the passion of the debate aside, which approach works best. I see it similar to the "permissive" or "tough love" debate in raising teenagers.
I realize the debate is to personal and emotionally charged to give many real life examples. But, I am curious whether the approach taken by Mr. Smith (attending homosexual weddings and blessing them with gifts etc.) actually results in people getting saved and leaving the homosexual lifestyle. That is, after all, the bottom line if we say that the real love of God is our motivation.

I had not thought of this in the context you mention. You know when I was young we were nearly all doing wrong, but there were certain friends of mine who parents would just about kill them if they found out what they were doing (tough love). And there were parents who told their kids "I can't stop you from drinking, smoking dope, etc" so if you going to do it, do it here (at home)." Despite the fact that the sins were the same those that had to do those things to the disapproval of their parents for the most part turned out to be fine (not saved, but their not in prison, hold a job, have a family, etc). Those whose parents didn't have such a tough love approach are for the most part in prison, divorced, homeless, alchoholics, etc.

I am aware that this is NOT the exact same as a preacher attending a homosexual marriage essentially in approval and support, but there certainly are similarities.

If we truly are called of God we need to preach His Word, clearly dstinguish between the holy and the unholy, and make sure the trumpet makes a certain sound. We can do all of this WITHOUT hating sinners. You can practice "tough love" by preaching against sin and still love the sinner.

As far as being accused of not loving people, I'm done responding to such comments (MS). There aree some posters here on AFF who have heard me preach, regardless of topic, I rarely don't mention the need of us as the church to "get messy" with the people of this world. I have involved myself in many things, and plan only to increase that involvement, but I'm not going into specifics here. I am confident that God knows what I have doen, what I desire to do, and more importantly knows my heart. Furthermore, good works, attedning homosexual marriages and abotions (if they could even be called good works, of which I am in doubt) don't save. Thats the message right (which is true). We're not saved by works, yet appearently some think we in some way they are justified by their "getting messy".

None of us are or can be justified by any amount of good works. The motivation for helping should be the love of Christ in us, the realization that He was gracious to us when we deserved nothing but His wrath, and the responsibility we have to be the body of Christ in this world.

Baron1710 · #**502** 12-28-2010, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by DAII

Sorry, I'm not a skirt chaser.

Not sure how to take that on this thread...

But I will still Love ya man.

Mr. Smith · #**503** 12-28-2010, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

Just keep reminding us, if we don't see things the way YOU see them, we don't know anything. We're not experienced, we don't love people, and we're self righteous legalists.

It almost seems that in a way your attempting to be self righteous by declaring how right you are by attedning homosexual marriages and theoretically abortions, etc.

I take it you won't be calling me anymore asking advice.

James Griffin · #**504** 12-28-2010, 07:09 PM

Jason you continue to love after they express their desire to change, l will continue to love them even if they never do.

Mr. Smith · #**505** 12-28-2010, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Baron1710

Hey its my good buddy Tiny Tim. He busts people up in Jesus Name.

Should I ask to meet this nut in a dark alley? He loves to throw around threats of physical violence, doesn't he? He's probably one of those guys that types a tough game and is scared of his own shadow. Whatdya think....should I take him on??

Baron1710 · #**506** 12-28-2010, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by James Griffin

Jason you continue to love after they express their desire to change, l will continue to love them even if they never do.

That's it. Nothing more needs to be said.

Jason B · #**507** 12-28-2010, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by James Griffin

Ferd

Loving the sinner while still in their sin.

James, are you insinuating that if we take a stand against homosexuality we ONLYlove the sinner after they are made righteous?

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Originally Posted by James Griffin

The alternative seemingly proposed by others is have next to nothing to do with someone beyond perhaps toleration of their presence until they admit their sin, repent and beg forgiveness.

Come on, really?

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Originally Posted by James Griffin

Apparently not all are capable of doing this. Different callings or different levels of maturity.

So if someone is desensatized and influenced by a worldly culture that hates the true gospel of Jesus Christ they are mature, yet if they stand on the word of God, they are not?

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Originally Posted by James Griffin

Regardless, I will not condemn those who refuse to eat meat sacrificed to idols. And if they chose to condemn those who have no problem eating it or befriending sinners just as and where they are so
be it.

Homosexual marriage IS NOT a Romans 14 issue of Christian liberty. Liberty is often times used as a cloak for ungodliness. The argument is essentially "don't condemn me, I'm in liberty." Metropolitan Community Church knows all about "liberty".

This isn't a liberty issue, such as tv, music, holidays, dress, and a thousand other things that IN THEMSELVES are not sinful one way or the other.

This is a SIN issue, of which HOMOSEXUALITY is ALWAYS a sin, no matter what context.

DAII · #**508** 12-28-2010, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Smith

Should I ask to meet this nut in a dark alley? He loves to throw around threats of physical violence, doesn't he? He's probably one of those guys that types a tough game and is scared of his own shadow. Whatdya think....should I take him on??

And mess up your hair?

James Griffin · #**509** 12-28-2010, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by DAII

Sorry, I'm not a skirt chaser.

So you are only turned on by women in bifurcated garments!!!

Mr. Smith · #**510** 12-28-2010, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by James Griffin

Jason you continue to love after they express their desire to change, l will continue to love them even if they never do.

WOW!!! Great statement!! In the story of the prodigal son (which really was about the older brother's reaction, not the son that ran away), the father "Filled with love and compassion, he ran to his son, embraced him, and kissed him." That was BEFORE his son said anything, before he knew his son had changed and was sorrowful for his actions.

"While we were YET SINNERS....".

Wow!!! I love grace!!