Do You Believe In Women Preachers?

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by Felicity

Deborah encouraged, supported and rode alongside Barak.

It was Jael who nailed Sisera's head to the ground. (Judges 5:25-27)

She was pretty savvy too to give him milk to drink. Milk has known sedative effects.

I stand corrected; I got my women warriors mixed up. Anyway a woman nailed the enemy. I have great respect for ladies that live with great purpose.

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by Felicity

Deborah encouraged, supported and rode alongside Barak.

It was Jael who nailed Sisera's head to the ground. (Judges 5:25-27)

She was pretty savvy too to give him milk to drink. Milk has known sedative effects.

RODE??

[Felicity]

Originally Posted by Lost and Found

Read it for yourself. Produce the scripture(s) that show him wrong.

So far the ladies (no offense intended) have a horse riding (or chariot riding) Debra leading men into battle...and you say EB is in error?

Debra did NOT lead the men into battle.

Jud. 4:9-10: And she said, I will surely go with thee: notwithstanding the journey that thou takest shall not be for thine honour; for the LORD shall sell Sisera into the hand of a woman. And Deborah arose, and went with Barak to Kedesh.

And Barak called Zebulun and Naphtali to Kedesh; and he went up with ten thousand men at his feet: and Deborah went up with him.

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by Felicity

Debra did NOT lead the men into battle.

Jud. 4:9-10: And she said, I will surely go with thee: notwithstanding the journey that thou takest shall not be for thine honour; for the LORD shall sell Sisera into the hand of a woman. And Deborah arose, and went with Barak to Kedesh.

And Barak called Zebulun and Naphtali to Kedesh; and he went up with ten thousand men at his feet: and Deborah went up with him.

Thank you for your post!

Notice that she went up with "HIM."

Again, there is just no scripture where God desires a woman to lead a man.

[Barb]

[QUOTE=Evang.Benincasa;292504]Sweet love of God. I haven't the foggiest idea what you are talking about.
Why are you doing this? Why must you do this? Why is it that you feel the need to misrepresent everyone who disagrees with your dogma. You see here we have projection, the above is what "some" accuse me of, but I have been around FCF, NFCF, and now the slow moving AFF for too many years to not know the drill. Sister Barbara I can't understand where you say that I compared any woman preacher with Jezebel. Can you please quote where I did what you said?




The above is called S-P-E-C-U-L-A-T-I-O-N, sorry but that's wrong. They are told to submit to their own husbands because their own husbands are the ONLY male leadership that these women were to have.



Eph 5:22-33 "WIVES, SUBMIT YOURSELVES UNTO YOUR OWN HUSBANDS, as unto the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to THEIR OWN HUSBANDS IN EVERY THING. Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word, That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish. So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself. For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church: For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones. For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh. This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church. Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife see that she reverence her husband."


Col 3:18

"Wives, submit yourselves unto your OWN husbands, as it is fit in the Lord."

Tit 2:3-5

"The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things; That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children, To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, OBEDIENT TO THEIR OWN HUSBANDS, THAT THE WORD OF GOD BE NOT BLASPHEMED."

1Pe 3:1-2

"Likewise, ye wives, be in SUBJECTION TO YOUR OWN HUSBANDS; that, if any obey not the word, they also may without the word be won by the conversation of the wives; While they behold your chaste conversation coupled with fear."



Interesting response, maybe you could explain, and therefore I can properly respond to you.



I have no idea what you are referring to, so maybe you can overcome your emotions and allow me to know what you're referring to?



Of course not, what would make me think you would respond any other manner.



The Bible teaches a woman cannot teach married or adult single man.



Are you meaning to tell the whole world that you cannot distinguish between a woman bringing up the directions to her husband and the five fold ministry of the Body of Christ? Talk about yikes. How about if a crackhead says "Jesus is God" is he wrong? I'm not submitting to my wife by listening to my wife read a map. I think you are missing this.



If you would of took the time to be fair and read what I had posted you would of known where I was coming from. We are talking about the Bible, not police officers, butchers, bakers, and candle stick makers.

Originally Posted by Barb

Yikes...sorry, I don't understand this or believe it.[/quotes]

Well, keep reading your Bible and research this out. You will find that the Bible does not teach about females teaching adult men.



Thank you for saying the above, I just don't understand this who hit and run motif. If you have no scriptural refutation in the future then why even bother to respond to me like this. It's not that I don't want to correspond with you, but all this really doesn’t prove anything.

Lord bless you.

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

Elder Benincassa, I do NOT misrepresent anyone EVER...at least not intentionally.

I do NOT present dogma...merely my unlearned understanding of Scripture, as well as trying to make sense of posts presented to me.

Mother A said it best today, and that is that many of us will never come to an agreement on this.

For the record, let me say that I am personally not in favor of women pastors...will not say it is wrong...just not for me.

But women teaching adult men, I just do not see that in Scripture it is wrong.

God bless you, sir...

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Barb

Elder Benincassa, I do NOT misrepresent anyone EVER...at least not intentionally.

Ok, you don't misrepresent anyone consciencely.

Originally Posted by Barb

I do NOT present dogma...merely my unlearned understanding of Scripture, as well as trying to make sense of posts presented to me.

Interesting so let me help you with this. If this is true what you are saying above I suggest that you not take the position of the one who tries to correct anyone. Meaning you forfeit the privilege to say anyone is incorrect because you have a "unlearned understanding" (what ever that means) I can only guess that the term means you don't know what you're talking about concerning this issue.

Originally Posted by Barb

Mother A said it best today, and that is that many of us will never come to an agreement on this.

And Trinitarians and One GOD Pentecostals may never come to an agreement, as also those who believe in holiness and those who don't believe in the Bible.

Originally Posted by Barb

For the record, let me say that I am personally not in favor of women pastors...will not say it is wrong...just not for me.

Sister, Sister, Sister, the Bible is not a buffet where you pick and choose your preferences of what you like or don't like. This is about truth and falsehood. Either it's right or wrong. God loves you, but no one out there cares what you like or don't like. People want the truth, not the preacher's preferences.

Originally Posted by Barb

But women teaching adult men, I just do not see that in Scripture it is wrong.

Please you're making no sense here, remember you're the one who has an "unlearned understanding" of the scriptures. If you don't see something in the Bible then I suggest you keep studying and try to present a good argument for a defense of what little you do believe. The Brothers and Sisters who call me about them seeing fulfilled eschatology were because they studied it out. Some of these people were full blown against fulfilled eschatology, and now they see it. Did they accept it years ago? NO WAY!

But as they went and strengthened their arguments they started to see something and then a lot more started to be revealed.

Originally Posted by Barb

God bless you, sir...

Thank you and the Lord bless you also.

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

[nahkoe]

Originally Posted by Lost and Found

Thank you for your post!

Notice that she went up with "HIM."

Again, there is just no scripture where God desires a woman to lead a man.

Can you post scripture equating preaching with leading?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Felicity

Debra did NOT lead the men into battle.

Jud. 4:9-10: And she said, I will surely go with thee: notwithstanding the journey that thou takest shall not be for thine honour; for the LORD shall sell Sisera into the hand of a woman. And Deborah arose, and went with Barak to Kedesh.

And Barak called Zebulun and Naphtali to Kedesh; and he went up with ten thousand men at his feet: and Deborah went up with him.

Sorry you're wrong, those scriptures are NOT saying that Deborah lead the armies into battle.

Jdg 5:12-13 Awake, awake, Deborah: awake, awake, utter a song: arise, BARAK, AND LEAD THY CAPTIVITY CAPTIVE, thou son of Abinoam. Then he made him that remaineth have dominion over the nobles among the people: the LORD made me have dominion over the mighty.


Arise, Barak, and lead thy captivity captive, thou son of Abinoam; for though the whole army of Sisera was destroyed, that not a man was left, Jdg_4:16 yet as BARAK PURSUED to Harosheth of the Gentiles, many there and in other places which fell into his hands, that belonged to Jabin, might be taken captive by him; and though the Canaanites were to be slain, yet they might first be led captive in triumph; and besides, there might be some of other nations that were taken by him in this war; see Psa_68:18.
Gill Notes.

Barak is the one who led the armies, that was the reason Barak was called in the first place. Because Barak wanted to take a woman into battle, Barak forfeits the chance to have sole victory. The victory is placed in the hands of Jael. Hebrews chapter 11 only records Barak. The two women Deborah and Jael are found nowhere in the chapter. Obviously the writer of Hebrews didn't share your opinion.

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

[Barb]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Ok, you don't misrepresent anyone consciencely.



Interesting so let me help you with this. If this is true what you are saying above I suggest that you not take the position of the one who tries to correct anyone. Meaning you forfeit the privilege to say anyone is incorrect because you have a "unlearned understanding" (what ever that means) I can only guess that the term means you don't know what you're talking about concerning this issue.




And Trinitarians and One GOD Pentecostals may never come to an agreement, as also those who believe in holiness and those who don't believe in the Bible.



Sister, Sister, Sister, the Bible is not a buffet where you pick and choose your preferences of what you like or don't like. This is about truth and falsehood. Either it's right or wrong. God loves you, but no one out there cares what you like or don't like. People want the truth, not the preacher's preferences.



Please you're making no sense here, remember you're the one who has an "unlearned understanding" of the scriptures. If you don't see something in the Bible then I suggest you keep studying and try to present a good argument for a defense of what little you do believe. The Brothers and Sisters who call me about them seeing fulfilled eschatology were because they studied it out. Some of these people were full blown against fulfilled eschatology, and now they see it. Did they accept it years ago? NO WAY!

But as they went and strengthened their arguments they started to see something and then a lot more started to be revealed.



Thank you and the Lord bless you also.

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

Wow!! You are quite the pro at taking people's posts and digging them apart point by point.

Oh well...I guess what I was trying to say by "unlearned understanding", and as you pointed out so well, it really didn't make any sense, was that I am not as smart as you and some of the others here. Not sure why I bother...please excuse my inept way of responding.

But I didn't mean my posts to come off as "trying to correct" you...forgive me if you felt you were bing "corrected."

[Felicity]

Originally Posted by Bro. Beni

Sorry you're wrong, those scriptures are NOT saying that Deborah lead the armies into battle.

You're taking a little for granted there Bro. Beni.

If you'll read a little more carefully you'll see that I was correcting the idea that Deborah led Barak or the troops because the fact is she did not.

If you'll read a little more carefully you'll see that I made the point very distinctly that Deborah encouraged and went with Barak.

Barak was called to lead. Deborah encouraged him in what God told him to do and then accompanied him.