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Old 11-12-2007, 07:56 AM
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I agree with that. I do say that the pastor should have control of 100% of the tithe. It is not Biblical for the church to put him on a salary. The pastor is not the employee of the church.

As far as the evangelist, I would say that $200 a night should be the minimum. I don't "charge" or have a "fee" even though I have been asked what my fee is. I go and accept whatever they give me. God always takes care of my needs.
I disagree. We are on a salary, and I'm thankful for that. We don't have to worry about budgeting, etc. We also have no pressure to cater to the wealthier people or worry about who might "withhold their tithe" that week. A salary can be a very freeing thing!
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Old 11-12-2007, 08:24 AM
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A pastor should be able to live as good as the folks in his church....

Not too far above them....

Definitely not beneath them....
I can agree with this!
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Old 11-12-2007, 08:31 AM
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There are a lot of good reasons for the pastor to receive a salary rather than all the tithes directly into his hand. For one thing, he probably has better things to do than keep the books.

I do believe that what the pastor makes *on the side*, whether it is a second job or writing books, should be his personal business. If the church is concerned that his additional employment is detracting from his ability to pastor, then they can discuss the TIME issue with him. I don't believe he needs to share that extra income with the church.

If the church is struggling financially, it stands to reason that the pastor will too, unless he supplements his income.
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Old 11-12-2007, 09:15 AM
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Considering the events that are now going before Congress, and other money scandals/questions about other ministers my questions are the following;

What IS an acceptable salary/compensation for a Pastor

What IS an acceptable salary/compensation for an Evangelist/Prophet/Teacher (minister without a local church)



Is it wrong for a Pastor of a 300-500 member church to make $100,000 plus the church buy their car and pay their mortgage?

What about a Pastor of a 100 member church who makes 50K plus house allowance and cars???


In the UPCI I'd say that our "top" Evangelists don't make more than $50k a year from preaching. Is that reasonable? should it be more?

I'd bet that the typical UPCI Evangelist does not make more than 30K.


Anyhow, what would be fair compensation???????
I say that the best way to solve this dilemma, is to just eliminate pastors completely, then we don't need to worry about paying them.
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Old 11-12-2007, 10:23 AM
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I say that the best way to solve this dilemma, is to just eliminate pastors completely, then we don't need to worry about paying them.
And did we expect you would say anything different?
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Old 11-12-2007, 10:24 AM
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And did we expect you would say anything different?
Maybe not. But perhaps you were astonished at my restraint, because I stopped with just that one statement???

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Old 11-12-2007, 10:30 AM
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Well, if the people are paying his salary, why shouldn't they know how much he makes? And there are always opportunities to get extra money for doing weddings and funerals.
ROFL.................yeah right.......I am thankful for the kind offerings .....but often it works like the last one I did.........5 trips over to another city.......hours of prep.....then the funeral itself......... $50.00...............yeah buddy, we gonna get rich off them weddings and funerals......
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Old 11-12-2007, 10:51 AM
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When the IRS comes knocking they will ask the same questions....
Why would the IRS come knocking if all of the taxes have been paid and the profit from the books and such have all been accounted for?

I am not saying that the finances should not be covered by a good CPA/Tax accountant and all that stuff. The IRS has no more concern about a preachers "extra income" from taxable book sales than from Donald Trumps or Steven Kings personal royalties from book sales.

If I were to ever write a book that made it big, and I kept the income separate from the non-profit I pastor, the IRS has no beef with me as long as all things are reported as should be and I have given them their due....

I stand by my former post...what a preacher makes apart from the church, is his own business, period!
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Pelathais, I sure hope you don't get banned for telling the truth.

I have seen so many lies posted. The best one is the one Triumphant 1 did his best to combat. You know, the hair cutting party thing?

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Old 11-12-2007, 10:53 AM
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ROFL.................yeah right.......I am thankful for the kind offerings .....but often it works like the last one I did.........5 trips over to another city.......hours of prep.....then the funeral itself......... $50.00...............yeah buddy, we gonna get rich off them weddings and funerals......
It's called Ministry... and the rewards go far beyond monetary value...

I recall the Words of the Good Samaritan to the "InnKeeper"...

"Whatsoever thou spend...When I come again I will repay thee"....

Many times I have remembered this scripture...
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Old 11-12-2007, 10:55 AM
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ROFL.................yeah right.......I am thankful for the kind offerings .....but often it works like the last one I did.........5 trips over to another city.......hours of prep.....then the funeral itself......... $50.00...............yeah buddy, we gonna get rich off them weddings and funerals......
All of the funerals and weddings combined in 15 years of doing them do not amount to more than $1500 for me....and I've done at least one (a couple of years, two) weddings/funerals per year! I have added a whopping $100 per year to my income doing weddings/funerals....I feel richer just thinking about it....LOL.

Some people seem clueless!
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