In my case, I work as a helper to my pastor in what ever roll is needed. I am not the pastor, I dont want his job, but that doesnt deminsh my roll, or my calling.
to some however, that means i am not a minister. they are completely wrong.
Nobody said People were easy...but mass transit means there is a problem somewhere... whether it's leadership...family or whatever... if folks are coming and going there is a problem somewhere...
What I have learned in Pastoring the folks we win are the folks we keep... the folks others have won and came to visit for short while are just that ... short timers... most move on... some nest and rest... some snort and chuckle... and some get on down the road...
amen! You are so precious to you cross them...I have seen them call me all kinds of titles trying to please me but if crossed you are nothing to them...
Nothing like YOUR OWN children...
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I talked to A Pastors wife last weekend who told me they have several friends amongst their circle that just cannot take the stress of pastoring anymore and the effects its having on their families. she said that many are wondering if it's worth the risk.
in fact, she went on to tell me that some of her friends who pastor are going back to college to get secular degrees and getting out of pastoring all together.
I am thinking that is going to be a growing trend in the years to come
your thoughts
I think this to be somewhat true, if there ever was a time in my short ministerial life (since 88) to want to stop pastoring it has been this Summer. Difficult personalities, Saints that don't want to get with it, etc. Burnout!!
I just turned down a secular job making between $75-140 dollars a hour, I think that was a big test the Lord allowed me to go through.
Believe me I was tempted, I don't minister for money, matter of fact I need money now, but I think the joys and the knowledge that I am working for the master are payment enough, though I good offering does bring it's own kind of encouragement.
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all of this is hogwash and you KNOW it... unless your spittin' screamin' and red faced and shallowed breath you ain't got a ministry!! come PP git wit the program!!
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Originally Posted by Ferd
In my case, I work as a helper to my pastor in what ever role is needed. I am not the pastor, I dont want his job, but that doesnt diminsh my role, or my calling.
to some however, that means i am not a minister. they are completely wrong.
Ferd, it's easy for people who have never been there to minimize the importance of lay ministry. I guess the same thing goes for all ministry.
You know, there are other nontraditional ministries men and women can participate in as well.
House churches, prison ministry, legal counsel for Christian causes, teaching Christian apologetics at a college, creating and administrating autonomous Christian schools (apart from a local assembly).
I think this to be somewhat true, if there ever was a time in my short ministerial life (since 88) to want to stop pastoring it has been this Summer. Difficult personalities, Saints that don't want to get with it, etc. Burnout!!
I just turned down a secular job making between $75-140 dollars a hour, I think that was a big test the Lord allowed me to go through.
Believe me I was tempted, I don't minister for money, matter of fact I need money now, but I think the joys and the knowledge that I am working for the master are payment enough, though I good offering does bring it's own kind of encouragement.
I empathize Keith.
The year I moved to Illinois, I turned down a promotion with the company I was with that would have, in just a short time, grossed over 100 K a year.
I don't regret it, but I wish I would have done some things differently when I first planted the church.
Writing books, conference speaking, skeletal fellowships across denominational barriers, chairing community action groups that support the needy, Christian counseling services, internet based ministries....
need I go on?
so...they are "modifying" their calling for a better living?
If God calls a man to preach and puts him in a pastoral position are we suggesting God won't provide? It may not be easy, but if it's in the will of God...Just thinking out loud I guess.
I dont get it in those cases where the pastor is going to school to eventually do something else....if you are CALLED to so something...I dont know
I just dont believe God makes mistakes or puts people in a position then changes his mind or leaves them hanging.
Perhaps it's not God's will? Or someone somewhere isnt doing exactly what they are supposed to be doing?
It's a calling, not a career.
Perhaps some of these areas with 35 churches all competing for the same folks are not necessarily what God intended?
Burnout is a big problem in a lot of professions. I would imagine that in the ministry it would be easy to burnout. Does anyone have suggestions on how to avoid it or how to recover from it? I experienced burnout in my job- I was blessed enough to move on to another position. I guess that is what pastors do when they burnout- move to another church.
so...they are "modifying" their calling for a better living?
If God calls a man to preach and puts him in a pastoral position are we suggesting God won't provide? It may not be easy, but if it's in the will of God...Just thinking out loud I guess.
I dont get it in those cases where the pastor is going to school to eventually do something else....if you are CALLED to so something...I dont know
I just dont believe God makes mistakes or puts people in a position then changes his mind or leaves them hanging.
Perhaps it's not God's will? Or someone somewhere isnt doing exactly what they are supposed to be doing?
It's a calling, not a career.
Perhaps some of these areas with 35 churches all competing for the same folks are not necessarily what God intended?
I think you are viewing pastoral ministry through a very narrow lens. There are other ways to shepherd people than a Sunday sermon. I do agree that there are some men pastoring who are doing so outside of the call of God.
Further, no one has suggested ministry is just a career, but it most certainly is a calling and a career. There are certain financial realities at play here.
so...they are "modifying" their calling for a better living?
If God calls a man to preach and puts him in a pastoral position are we suggesting God won't provide? It may not be easy, but if it's in the will of God...Just thinking out loud I guess.
I dont get it in those cases where the pastor is going to school to eventually do something else....if you are CALLED to so something...I dont know
I just dont believe God makes mistakes or puts people in a position then changes his mind or leaves them hanging.
Perhaps it's not God's will? Or someone somewhere isnt doing exactly what they are supposed to be doing?
It's a calling, not a career.
Perhaps some of these areas with 35 churches all competing for the same folks are not necessarily what God intended?
How about a guy that is called to preach but has NO calling to pastor?
I had a conversation with an evangelest friend of mine the other day. we were talking about his ministry and the inevatablility of his becoming a pastor. He admitted to me the idea turns his stomach. He is not a patient guy and admits he really isnt a pastor at heart/calling. but being an evangelist he is starving and this guy is a VERY GOOD Evangelist who is known. but still he has pastors living the high life who wont pay him enough to support his family.
and T, you are right, those areas with 35 churches ARENT what God intended. but we are now 50 years late on the scene and the church is full of multi generations of folk who know better than God.
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