Does The Apostolic Message Need Re-Packaging???? - Page 5

RevDWW · #41 07-28-2007, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by philjones

In my opinion, we have reached the present anemic position in the Apostolic church because we have tried to repackage the message. WE have made it possible for sin and sinners to be comfortable in our services in an effort to be Saddleback sinner friendly. We have lost the power of conviction because we are being Spiritually Correct and don't want to risk making our guests uncomfortable.

Jesus said that it was the hungry and thirsty that are going to be filled... not those attracted only by the packaging. A hungry or thirsty man could care less what the package looks like!

I will agree with the apostle and say I have nothing to preach save Jesus and him crucified. I am not sure how you make a bitter cup, a bloodied back, a crown of thorns, a reed of ridicule, a rugged cross and three nails attractive. Can you give me some pointers please?

Fantastic post PJ!

BoredOutOfMyMind · #42 07-28-2007, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by philjones

In my opinion, we have reached the present anemic position in the Apostolic church because we have tried to repackage the message. WE have made it possible for sin and sinners to be comfortable in our services in an effort to be Saddleback sinner friendly. We have lost the power of conviction because we are being Spiritually Correct and don't want to risk making our guests uncomfortable.

Jesus said that it was the hungry and thirsty that are going to be filled... not those attracted only by the packaging. A hungry or thirsty man could care less what the package looks like!

I will agree with the apostle and say I have nothing to preach save Jesus and him crucified. I am not sure how you make a bitter cup, a bloodied back, a crown of thorns, a reed of ridicule, a rugged cross and three nails attractive. Can you give me some pointers please?

Now, THAT will preach!

#43 07-28-2007, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Pianoman

I was listening to Kenneth Phillips preach at the AWCF Conference, and he mentioned that it was time to re-package the Apostolic message.

I know that manufacturers of products upgrade their product packaging to reflect the current tastes and customs. For instance, Betty Crocker was changed from the 40's and 50's look into a more modern looking women.

As new ways to package items are invented, successful companies will try to upgrade their packaging. Colas and Ketchup used to always be packaged in glass bottles, but now they mostly use plastic packaging.

Is it time to re-package the Apostolic message?

I do not agree.

The Apostolic message need not be repackaged.

Perhaps KP needs to be repackaged. In fact, it might be a good idea if about 99.99% of all of the messengers (so called) of the Apostolic message were repackaged.

They need to be reclothed with a nice package of humility for starters. Then they need to be wraped in the paper of kindness of the color that shows the burning warmth of love. Next, they need a pretty ribbon of fleshly restraints of fasting and a lot of prayer, tied with a bow on the crow of the grace of Christ. Just for the beginning.

RevDWW · #44 07-28-2007, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by philjones

I will agree with the apostle and say I have nothing to preach save Jesus and him crucified. I am not sure how you make a bitter cup, a bloodied back, a crown of thorns, a reed of ridicule, a rugged cross and three nails attractive. Can you give me some pointers please?

Oh, it can and should be attractive. The fact that Jesus took my place, when I deserve the agony and death he suffered, ought to hold a wondrous attraction to the vilest sinner.

Oh that I might know Him , in the fellowship of His suffering and the power of His resurrection!!!!

#45 07-28-2007, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by RevDWW

Oh, it can and should be attractive. The fact that Jesus took my place, when I deserve the agony and death he suffered, ought to hold a wondrous attraction to the vilest sinner.

Oh that I might know Him , in the fellowship of His suffering and the power of His resurrection!!!!

RevDWW, attractive in the sense that you are speaking and attractive in the sense PM is speaking are totally different.

But, I do appreciate the pointer!

tamor · #46 07-28-2007, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by rgcraig

Yep.

Doesn't mean the message will change - just like colas, ketchup and Betty Crocker products - - the product stays the same, but the packaging changes.

Coke tried to change the product and it didn't make it - failed miserably.

Good point.

#47 07-28-2007, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by The Antagonist

I do not agree.

The Apostolic message need not be repackaged.

Perhaps KP needs to be repackaged. In fact, it might be a good idea if about 99.99% of all of the messengers (so called) of the Apostolic message were repackaged.

They need to be reclothed with a nice package of humility for starters. Then they need to be wraped in the paper of kindness of the color that shows the burning warmth of love. Next, they need a pretty ribbon of fleshly restraints of fasting and a lot of prayer, tied with a bow on the crow of the grace of Christ. Just for the beginning.

...just for the beginning.

Then placed under the tree of righteousness as a free gift to the people of God as it should have been from the beginning. It is kind of tiring to see so many of them who have wrapped themselves in themselves and have become a gift to themselves. It would be wonderful to discover that the ministry is about more than just the minister.

RevDWW · #48 07-28-2007, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by philjones

RevDWW, attractive in the sense that you are speaking and attractive in the sense PM is speaking are totally different.

But, I do appreciate the pointer!

No pointer needed, you posted well!

RevDWW · #49 07-28-2007, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Brother Strange

It would be wonderful to discover that the ministry is about more than just the minister.

So true....of course every Born Again Christian show grow up to minister.............Aren't we all called to minister........if nothing else than to have a ministry that ministers the Love of Jesus to the unloved?

#50 07-28-2007, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by RevDWW

So true....of course every Born Again Christian show grow up to minister.............Aren't we all called to minister........if nothing else than to have a ministry that ministers the Love of Jesus to the unloved?

Amen.

Certainly the ministry is of no small responsibiity. It is a high and holy calling that must be carefully cultivated by all the graces that God has given us that we may appeal to the lost and discouraged by not only the message we preach but by our manner of life.