Dispensationalism undermines the gospel

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Amanah

It's a Christ centered theology where covenantal promises to Noah, Abraham, Mosaic, Davidic, are fulfilled in National Israel inheriting the land and then receiving the New Covenant, and through Christ the gentile nations also inherit all the promises to National Israel to include the recreated earth in the Kingdom of Messiah.

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They miss the part about the church becoming the Israel of God.

Dispensationalism ‘s focus is that the Church is totally a separate entity from Israel.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Dispensationalism ‘s focus is that the Church is totally a separate entity from Israel.

The Israel of God being the Body of Christ. Is considered Replacement Theology to the Dispensationalist movement. The rapture is to take the Church out, leave Israel behind to duke it out through the Tribulation. When Christ returns all the modern Jews finally accept Him, en masse.

[Amanah]

Basically, progressive dispensationalism addresses covenant theologies arguments against dispensationalism, but the core issue of National Israel vs the Church remains intact.

Scripture, history, and science refute the continuation of National Israel after 70 AD

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Amanah

Basically, progressive dispensationalism addresses covenant theologies arguments against dispensationalism, but the core issue of National Israel vs the Church remains intact.

Scripture, history, and science refute the continuation of National Israel after 70 AD

You are correct.

Dispensationalism is the bulwark of Christian, and Judaic Zionism. Both of these theologies are then utilized by Secular political Zionism. Dispensationalism sees the Church as a plan B while Israel (totally separate from the Church) is the true apple of God’s eye. God made promises to National Israel. She was restored in 1948 restarting God’s time clock. God will bring National Israel to its former glory complete with a return to the Temple Law System.

[Amanah]

The Church is the Israel of God:

1. Matthew 21:43: Jesus warns the Jewish leaders that the kingdom will be taken from them and given to a new people.
2. Luke 21:24: Jesus prophesies that Jerusalem will be trampled by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.
3. Romans 11:25: Paul writes that a partial hardening has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles comes in.
4. Galatians 6:16: Paul refers to the Church as the "Israel of God".
5. Ephesians 2:11-22: Paul describes Gentile believers as being grafted into the olive tree of Israel, making them part of the same spiritual entity.
6. 1 Peter 2:9-10: Peter addresses the Church as a "chosen people", "royal priesthood", and "holy nation", applying Old Testament Israelite language to the Church.
7. Galatians 3:28: Paul writes, "There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus."

History:

1. Destruction of Jerusalem (70 AD): The Roman Empire destroyed Jerusalem, the Temple, and the Jewish state, ending Jewish political autonomy.
2. Diaspora: The Jewish people were scattered throughout the world, losing their national identity and political unity.
3. Rabbinic Judaism: After 70 AD, Judaism transitioned from a Temple-centric to a rabbinic, synagogue-based religion, marking a significant shift away from national identity.

Science (Archaeology, Demography, and DNA):

1. Archaeological evidence: Excavations in Israel confirm the destruction of Jewish cities and the absence of Jewish presence after 70 AD.
2. Demographic decline: Historical records indicate a significant decline in the Jewish population in the region after 70 AD.
3. DNA evidence: Genetic studies have shown that:
- Modern Jewish populations have significant genetic admixture from various regions, making genealogical tracing unlikely.
- The Diaspora led to extensive intermarriage and assimilation, diluting the genetic distinctiveness of the Jewish people.
- DNA analysis reveals that many modern Jews have more in common genetically with their local non-Jewish populations than with other Jewish groups.

This cumulative evidence suggests that:

- National Israel did not continue to exist after 70 AD.
- The Church has become the spiritual continuation of Israel, inheriting the promises and covenants.
- Through Pentecost, all people - Jew and Gentile, male and female - have been united in one body in Christ, transcending ethnic and national divisions.
- The Diaspora has rendered genealogical tracing of the original Israelites highly unlikely.

Note: This perspective emphasizes the unity of all believers in Christ, rather than replacement or supersession.

[Amanah]

In "End Time Delusions," (a great resource) Steve Wohlberg presents several arguments against the popular pre-tribulation rapture view:

1. Lack of biblical support: Wohlberg argues that the pre-tribulation rapture is not mentioned in Scripture.
2. Misinterpretation of 2 Thessalonians 2:1-4: He contends that this passage does not support a pre-tribulation rapture, but rather describes a post-tribulation gathering.
3. The "catching up" in 1 Thessalonians 4:17 is not a rapture: Wohlberg states that this verse describes a post-tribulation resurrection and gathering, not a pre-tribulation rapture.
4. Tribulation is not God's wrath: He argues that tribulation is not God's wrath, but a time of testing and judgment for all people.
5. The Church is not exempt from tribulation: Wohlberg shows that the Church will go through tribulation, as Jesus promised to be with His followers during trials, saying: *"I have told you these things, so that in me you may have peace. In this world you will have trouble. But take heart! I have overcome the world."* (John 16:33). This verse indicates that Jesus does not promise to remove the Church from tribulation, but rather to be present with them during it.
6. The Rapture and Second Coming are simultaneous: He explains that the Rapture and Second Coming are a single event, occurring before the millennial reign .

[diakonos]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

The Israel of God being the Body of Christ. Is considered Replacement Theology to the Dispensationalist movement. The rapture is to take the Church out, leave Israel behind to duke it out through the Tribulation. When Christ returns all the modern Jews finally accept Him, en masse.

As rebellious teens we figured that if we were “left behind” we could convert to Judaism for a 2nd chance.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by diakonos

As rebellious teens we figured that if we were “left behind” we could convert to Judaism for a 2nd chance.

Brother, this isn’t too far from the truth. I have a church brother who use to be in a Pentecostal organization. He use to see Judaism as the better option, since he was taught they were God’s first choice. He was taught that the Church was the concubine, and National Israel was the original wife. Therefore in the future at the end of the “time of the Gentiles” God would turn back to Israel. The Holy Ghost would then no longer deal with the Gentile nations. But turn back to the Nation of Israel. This would be the “Jewish Revival” and usher in the return of Christ.

[shag]

Does the power of the holy people getting shattered fit in this “loss of bloodline”, somewhere?


https://biblehub.com/daniel/12-7.htm


I guess someone would say, even if they lost their power whatever that means, they’re still a holy people.

[Tithesmeister]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Brother, this isn’t too far from the truth. I have a church brother who use to be in a Pentecostal organization. He use to see Judaism as the better option, since he was taught they were God’s first choice. He was taught that the Church was the concubine, and National Israel was the original wife. Therefore in the future at the end of the “time of the Gentiles” God would turn back to Israel. The Holy Ghost would then no longer deal with the Gentile nations. But turn back to the Nation of Israel. This would be the “Jewish Revival” and usher in the return of Christ.

See? This is a perfect example of typology running amuck. Because this doctrine can be supported with a really convincing typography explanation.

Watch this. Hagar is a type of the church. Sarah is a type of Israel. As Hagar was put out by Abraham, so will the church be divorced from God when He goes back to His true wife, Israel. Hagar (the church ) was really just a concubine, and as Abraham put away Hagar and returned to the “real” wife Sarah, so will God put away the church and return to His chosen people, ie His true wife. It seems really convincing doesn’t it? The only problem is, it doesn’t agree with scripture. This is why I believe typology should only be recognized if the scripture points it out.

Otherwise, it can be a very convincing cover for false doctrine.