Students Plan - March for Our Lives: March 24th

[Scott Pitta]

The shift in society away from hunting can also be seen in attitudes towards guns.

The younger people are not from the gun culture.

Assault rifles should have tighter controls. Raise the minimum age to 21 or 25. Place a user fee of $5,000 on the purchase of AR-15 type weapons. Require a FF license to purchase assault weapons. Citizens with mental health issues should be banned from purchasing any firearm.

These are reasonable controls that do not infringe on the second amendment.

Disclaimer: I am a gun owner from the gun culture and I hunt, trap and fish.

[Jito463]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Well, I think that will hold some weight the next time a union stages an armed assault on a high school. Get back with me when that happens.

When was the last time the NRA staged an armed assault on a high school? Oh, that's right, NEVER. A wet paper bag is stronger than your argument.

Originally Posted by n david

I assume there's a brain somewhere inside your head?

Originally Posted by Esaias

The Constitution doesn't grant you or me anything. It grants the federal government certain powers, and the Bill of Rights specifies certain things the federal government is forbidden to do.

Exactly. The Constitution - and the Bill of Rights, by extension - are written to secure our rights, not to grant them. The whole point is supposed to ensure that our God-given rights can't be taken from us by an overreaching, tyrannical government.

Originally Posted by Esaias

Just more proof the NRA is a communist front organization. They support infringing the second amendment protected rights of Americans, and always have.

I don't agree with that. I do think they tend to go too far in trying to get along with the left, though.

Originally Posted by Scott Pitta

Assault rifles should have tighter controls.

As NDavid asked Aquila, what is an assault weapon? How do you define that? I know of no such classification of gun as "assault weapon". I would love for someone to explain it to me, though.

[Scott Pitta]

If automatic weapons can be banned, and they are, so can other types of weapons.

Living students in schools are far more important than ak47's and ar15's. Protect the students and the teachers at the expense of military type weapons.

[Jito463]

Originally Posted by Scott Pitta

military type weapons.

What is a military type weapon? What is an assault weapon?

[Scott Pitta]

Let the legislators figure that out. Outright ban of imports of certain model ski and ak47 should be easy enough.

Quibling over wording does not bring dead American kids back to life.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Esaias

The Constitution doesn't grant you or me anything. It grants the federal government certain powers, and the Bill of Rights specifies certain things the federal government is forbidden to do.

Among those verboten things is the right of the people (you and me) to keep and bear arms. This right isn't granted by the Constitution, nor by human government AT ALL. It is a preexisting right that government is forbidden to infringe.

Not that government gives two hoots about rights.

You, as a bleating liberal progressive communist, "feel" that there ought to be a law banning arms. Nobody but law abiding people would obey such a law anyway, and those are people who don't do mass shootings. The shooting occurred in a restricted area where it was ILLEGAL to carry arms. Boy, that sure stopped the crime, didn't it? Hey, mass murder is already illegal everywhere! Since banning things and actions prevents those things and actions, I guess nothing actually happened in Florida, eh?

Liberal logic isn't. Liberalism is a mental disorder. The alleged shooter, like most other mass shooters, was apparently a registered Democrat?

It doesn't matter one bit, though. Nobody's giving up their guns, nobody's giving up their rights anymore. Disarming is off the table, it is simply not up for discission. PERIOD.

If anything, people ought to be suing the schools and the politicians for failing to secure their children in these "gun free zones". Better yet, get your kids out of there altogether. Why anyone in this day and age would send their children to a public school is just beyond comprehension.

Hey man, as a bleeding heart, communist liberal, here I want to say... I really don't want to ban all guns.

I'm frustrated.

I'm frustrated along with my brothers and sisters on the right.

I'm frustrated because it seems to me that weapons that are specifically designed to kill with greater and greater efficiency are "legally" getting into the hands of killers. And sadly, for so many of these killers, a background check wouldn't have stopped them from purchasing one of these weapons. So I keep asking myself... why are such weapons available? What is their purpose? Why is access to these weapons so important that it trumps the security of the American people and their children to be secure in their own schools and businesses?

And I know that banning these weapons isn't going to stop these shootings. But if a killer has to get seek out dealers on the black market, begin shopping around, purchase a weapon (that would be far more expensive on the black market), these are extra hoops they'd have to go through. Not to mention, many involved in the black market are being watched, followed, tracked, etc. Not to mention, if illegal, extra charges, etc. can be piled on these guys to ensure that they get put away. But someone wanting a high powered assault rifle that is designed to kill human beings with greater efficiency can go down to a corner gun shop and just buy one like it's nothing. Gun store owner has no responsibility to the community. NRA defends the right of the individual planning a mass shooting. Gun manufacturers have no responsibility to the American people. Meanwhile... more and more parents are burying their children. More and more families are burying loved ones.

It's like gun rights trump the American people's right to be safe and secure in schools and in the market place.

I'm frustrated with how Christian bakers feel like they are participating in a gay wedding if they sell a gay couple a wedding cake... but the Christian baker's spouse who sells guns at a local gun show doesn't feel like they are participating in a mass shooting if they sell a murderer an assault rifle with little question.

There just has to be something else we can do that leaves gun owners feeling secure in their rights, and makes it a little more difficult for these lunatics to get weapons that kill so efficiently. I've thought of this from so many different angles. I've even thought of how this ties into universal healthcare. Most people see these as separate issues. But I'm not so sure. Creating a culture of healing and health, a culture of mental health wherein the help trouble people might need is readily accessible and affordable. But it would take our nation coming together under these principles. And while I know this will not prevent any more shootings, my only hope is that it might prevent those shootings that can be prevented.

It's tremendous frustration. It isn't a desire to take anyone's guns.

[Jito463]

Originally Posted by Scott Pitta

Let the legislators figure that out. Outright ban of imports of certain model ski and ak47 should be easy enough.

Why? How would banning any gun prevent these tragedies from occurring? People said that fully automatic weapons were the problem, and if we'd just ban them then it would be enough. We banned them, now they want to ban more. When will it end? Oh, that's right, it ends when they ban all guns.

Originally Posted by Scott Pitta

Quibling over wording does not bring dead American kids back to life.

Except you're the one who used the words, so what do they mean? Or are you just spouting talking points without actually knowing what you're talking about?

[Jito463]

Originally Posted by Aquila

And I know that banning these weapons isn't going to stop these shootings.

Well, I'm glad you acknowledged it.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by n david

Aquila, I've asked several times on here, and I know you've read the question because you've posted responses ...

What is an assault weapon?

I'd classify it as a military style weapon designed specifically for killing human beings with efficiency. While certainly such weapons can be used for hunting, their design and purpose isn't for hunting or sport. They are weapons of war.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Scott Pitta

The shift in society away from hunting can also be seen in attitudes towards guns.

The younger people are not from the gun culture.

So very true.

Assault rifles should have tighter controls. Raise the minimum age to 21 or 25. Place a user fee of $5,000 on the purchase of AR-15 type weapons. Require a FF license to purchase assault weapons. Citizens with mental health issues should be banned from purchasing any firearm.

These are reasonable controls that do not infringe on the second amendment.

Disclaimer: I am a gun owner from the gun culture and I hunt, trap and fish.

Interesting ideas.

At least these ideas are far more than mere thoughts and prayers.

Faith without works is dead. If we want to make it more difficult for idiots to get their hands on these deadly weapons, we have to come up with some ideas.