Removing Zionism From the Chruch

[CalledOut238]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Zionism is basically a secularization of the idea Israel is supposed to have the land of Israel whether they serve God or not. It is christianized to fit, like you say, eschatology. True Torah believing Jews hate Zionism as much as God does.

Though you are right about some Judiacs not wanting an occupied Israel. Be careful not to fall for the Left/Right paradigm of Judaism. Karaite Judaism holds more weight on the Tanakh or Torah, but does incorporate the Talmud. Anyone using the Talmud or Kabbalah needs to called out for promoting the spirit of Anti Christ.

Just so I will not be deemed a Anti Semite. The Church was founded by Hebrews, and was only Hebrews for the first three and half years. The apostles traveled across the then known world seeking the lost sheep of Israel to preach the Gospel of the Kingdom of God. They were considered as another Hebrew sect called the Nazarenes. They are my apostolic forefathers who were murdered by the Romans and Edomite Jews. Study and you will find Caiaphas was an Edomite Pharisee. This has been one of the biggest frauds ever perpetrated. Fox's Book of Martyrs estimates between 60-70 million people have been murdered under Christian persecution. Either by the Crypto Jew Jesuit Roman Catholics or Judaic Edomites.

Selah

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Amanah

So, Israel is the antichrist and the US its ally and that is a sin is credited to the church and is blocking the church from having a revival?

And, There is no way to repent from that and we are doomed to destruction?

If that is the case I'm going to spend the day in bed eating chocolate.

There is no "the" antichrist. There are many antichrists.

The church does not have a pact with antichrist. The nation does. The church is to warn the nation against sin of any kind.

Who said repentance is impossible?

[Amanah]

Originally Posted by Esaias

There is no "the" antichrist. There are many antichrists.

The church does not have a pact with antichrist. The nation does. The church is to warn the nation against sin of any kind.

Who said repentance is impossible?

I mixed up the issues, I think this is the clarification:

Calledout wants the church to repent and stop preaching Zionism and saying that the return of the Jews to Israel was God Ordained

You, Esaias, want the nation to repent of supporting Zionism because it is the spirit of the antichrist

I have tentatively accepted these viewpoints and have moved on to wondering how this affects eschatology

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Amanah

so the church can not have revival because we are allied with Israel, really?

Sister, please reread your post below...

Originally Posted by Amanah

please be specific as to what the sin is?
Is it a sin for the US to be allies with Israel?

Did you read the above?

You didn't post Is it a sin for the church to be allies with Israel? You posted is it sin for the United States to be allied with Israel. Whether this country is aligned with or without the modern secular state of Israel means nothing to the Church. The United States has far more issues than its support of Israel. Same gender marriage, pornography being offered to children at an alarming rate over the Internet. Hollywood's hatred of Christianity, the music industries hatred towards Christianity. The left's infatuation with Islam, and this is just the beginning. Sister, we are the revival, we are the ones who Jesus has to work through. You looking for revival? It is in your hands. It doesn't matter if just the few people who are posting in this forum are the only Apostolics left in this counrty. If America is totally filled with Kabbalist Rabbis performing Blood libel it would never stop revival. I think sometimes we are more concerned with finding the end time boogie man than keeping our noses to the grindstone and winning souls.

Revival isn't a carrot on a stick that we need to constantly chase over the dead bodies of eschatological would-be Antichrists.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Amanah

I have tentatively accepted these viewpoints and have moved on to wondering how this affects eschatology

[Amanah]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Sister, please reread your post below...



Did you read the above?

You didn't post Is it a sin for the church to be allies with Israel? You posted is it sin for the United States to be allied with Israel. Whether this country is aligned with or without the modern secular state of Israel means nothing to the Church. The United States has far more issues than its support of Israel. Same gender marriage, pornography being offered to children at an alarming rate over the Internet. Hollywood's hatred of Christianity, the music industries hatred towards Christianity. The left's infatuation with Islam, and this is just the beginning. Sister, we are the revival, we are the ones who Jesus has to work through. You looking for revival? It is in your hands. It doesn't matter if just the few people who are posting in this forum are the only Apostolics left in this counrty. If America is totally filled with Kabbalist Rabbis performing Blood libel it would never stop revival. I think sometimes we are more concerned with finding the end time boogie man than keeping our noses to the grindstone and winning souls.

Revival isn't a carrot on a stick that we need to constantly chase over the dead bodies of eschatological would-be Antichrists.

well said Brother

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Amanah

I mixed up the issues, I think this is the clarification:

Calledout wants the church to repent and stop preaching Zionism and saying that the return of the Jews to Israel was God Ordained

You, Esaias, want the nation to repent of supporting Zionism because it is the spirit of the antichrist

I have tentatively accepted these viewpoints and have moved on to wondering how this affects eschatology

Well, for starters it blows dispensationalism out of the waters.

[Esaias]

When preachers preach that the Jews are God's chosen people, and that to bless them is to be blessed and to curse them is to be cursed, the congregants turn that teaching into political and financial support of politicians, who direct our nation's resources to supporting Tel Aviv financially, militarily, and politically.

If preachers instead taught that it was sin to support antichrist in WHATEVER form it appears, that national support of a foreign nation would come under much scrutiny.

Whether the nation repents or not, the church has to call everyone to repentance.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Sister, please reread your post below...



Did you read the above?

You didn't post Is it a sin for the church to be allies with Israel? You posted is it sin for the United States to be allied with Israel. Whether this country is aligned with or without the modern secular state of Israel means nothing to the Church. The United States has far more issues than its support of Israel. Same gender marriage, pornography being offered to children at an alarming rate over the Internet. Hollywood's hatred of Christianity, the music industries hatred towards Christianity. The left's infatuation with Islam, and this is just the beginning. Sister, we are the revival, we are the ones who Jesus has to work through. You looking for revival? It is in your hands. It doesn't matter if just the few people who are posting in this forum are the only Apostolics left in this counrty. If America is totally filled with Kabbalist Rabbis performing Blood libel it would never stop revival. I think sometimes we are more concerned with finding the end time boogie man than keeping our noses to the grindstone and winning souls.

Revival isn't a carrot on a stick that we need to constantly chase over the dead bodies of eschatological would-be Antichrists.

And, though I have some similar views to the OP in some regards, I do not think it is wrong for the USA to be friendly towards and trade with any nation that is not our sworn enemy. This is what the Founders intended. Israel should not being given any special status or special shunning.

[Amanah]

Is Benjamin Netanyahu a Talmudic, Torahic, or secular Jew?