Christian lead separatist movement

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Jito463

Stealing from taxpayers, in order to give that money to others, is not charity. It's theft.

Imagine that you are a farmer with several fields of grain.

Now imagine that the law of the land requires that you allow the poor and needy classes of society to freely glean from the corners and the edges of your fields. Imagine that the law of the land also forces you to allow the poor onto your land during time of harvest. You are prohibited to pick up anything harvested on your own land if it is dropped, yet the poor are freely allowed to pick it up and run off.

Not only that. Every third and sixth year of a 7 year sabbath cycle you are legally required to give an additional 10% agrarian land tax in order to ensure that the network of storehouses throughout the nation are stocked with enough grain to feed the poor and needy classes.

In addition to these legal entitlements regarding your harvest on your property, you are encouraged to give to charitably to the needy throughout the year if you happen to see anyone of your fellow countrymen in need.

Essentially the poor and the needy are legally entitled to a portion of your increase (income). How do you feel about that as a landowner? Is it theft???

Please read the following article from the Holman Bible Dictionary: JUSTICE - http://www.studylight.org/dictionari...USTICE#JUSTICE

How does your philosophy that entitlement is theft stand up to God's Law regarding a nation's responsibility to care for the poor, needy, widows, orphans, and even strangers (resident aliens)???

[aegsm76]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

Aquila - I have seen your testimony before and it is a great one.
It is one of those that proves God can change lives, dramatically.
Some years ago on this forum I stated that gay marriage would be approved.
I then stated that the laws against incest, polygamy and the age of consent would be next.
We are now seeing this come to pass.
I also stated that we would see the day when a Bible would not be permitted on government property.
We are seeing signs of that coming to pass.
And what party is leading the charge on all of these issues?
The Democratic Party.
That is why I cannot support them.
I was the first member of my family to not be a Democrat and it caused a little bit of scandal.
Now, I do not believe the Republicans are God's party, but, I do find that there are many more people in the Republican party who believe like I do, than in the Dems.
The slippery slope started many years ago with tolerate us, then accept us, now it is agree with us or we will make you wish you had.
I believe that the far left of the Dems is far more dangerous than any of us can imagine.
Their agenda is the elimination of Christianity as we know it.
And they do not care how they get there or who they have to ally with to succeed.

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[shazeep]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Imagine that you are a farmer with several fields of grain.

Now imagine that the law of the land requires that you allow the poor and needy classes of society to freely glean from the corners and the edges of your fields. Imagine that the law of the land also forces you to allow the poor onto your land during time of harvest. You are prohibited to pick up anything harvested on your own land if it is dropped, yet the poor are freely allowed to pick it up and run off.

Not only that. Every third and sixth year of a 7 year sabbath cycle you are legally required to give an additional 10% agrarian land tax in order to ensure that the network of storehouses throughout the nation are stocked with enough grain to feed the poor and needy classes.

In addition to these legal entitlements regarding your harvest on your property, you are encouraged to give to charitably to the needy throughout the year if you happen to see anyone of your fellow countrymen in need.

Essentially the poor and the needy are legally entitled to a portion of your increase (income). How do you feel about that as a landowner? Is it theft???

Please read the following article from the Holman Bible Dictionary: JUSTICE - http://www.studylight.org/dictionari...USTICE#JUSTICE

How does your philosophy that entitlement is theft stand up to God's Law regarding a nation's responsibility to care for the poor, needy, widows, orphans, and even strangers (resident aliens)???

amen, not even pausing to regard how QEs have robbed you and your posterity of multiple $Trillions

[aegsm76]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Imagine that you are a farmer with several fields of grain.

Now imagine that the law of the land requires that you allow the poor and needy classes of society to freely glean from the corners and the edges of your fields. Imagine that the law of the land also forces you to allow the poor onto your land during time of harvest. You are prohibited to pick up anything harvested on your own land if it is dropped, yet the poor are freely allowed to pick it up and run off.

Not only that. Every third and sixth year of a 7 year sabbath cycle you are legally required to give an additional 10% agrarian land tax in order to ensure that the network of storehouses throughout the nation are stocked with enough grain to feed the poor and needy classes.

In addition to these legal entitlements regarding your harvest on your property, you are encouraged to give to charitably to the needy throughout the year if you happen to see anyone of your fellow countrymen in need.

Essentially the poor and the needy are legally entitled to a portion of your increase (income). How do you feel about that as a landowner? Is it theft???

Please read the following article from the Holman Bible Dictionary: JUSTICE - http://www.studylight.org/dictionari...USTICE#JUSTICE

How does your philosophy that entitlement is theft stand up to God's Law regarding a nation's responsibility to care for the poor, needy, widows, orphans, and even strangers (resident aliens)???

There is a big difference between you "giving" this to the poor, versus the government forcibly taking it and them giving it to the poor.
The other large difference is that the poor actually had to do something to receive this, versus sitting there and having it handed to them.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

There is a big difference between you "giving" this to the poor, versus the government forcibly taking it and them giving it to the poor.
The other large difference is that the poor actually had to do something to receive this, versus sitting there and having it handed to them.

Bro, it was required by the Law of Moses. In fact if a man put a fence up around his property or denied the poor access, the poor could go before the elders of the city and argue that the land owner was denying them their right (the right of the poor). The lesser prophets speak of these injustices, for example Amos. God threatened to destroy the nation because they were denying the poor their rights to glean, the poor tithe, and denying them justice when deliberating at the gates for their rights.

All the poor had to do was walk by and grab some corn every day. We see Jesus and the disciples gleaning in the Gospels. It wasn't labor intensive. It would be like walking by your yard and picking a few flowers out of your garden every day.

The point is, based on the laws governing entitlements for needy classes, usury (interest), laws governing collateral, etc., the biblical economy would be akin to an agrarian socialism or distributism. It wasn't anarcho-capitalist like the views of Libertarians or Republicans. That's why the Zionists, with the aid of rabbinical scholars, made modern Israel a socialist state.

[aegsm76]

Aquila - I do not believe your are correct in your take on this.
I may need to do some more research on this, but the "right to glean" only applied after the field had been harvested by the owner.

[shazeep]

which is why the law fails, every time

[Esaias]

Agrarian socialism is Biblical?

Lol no wonder you voted for Osamabamadingdong twice.

[Jito463]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Imagine that you are a farmer with several fields of grain.

Now imagine that the law of the land requires that you allow the poor and needy classes of society to freely glean from the corners and the edges of your fields. Imagine that the law of the land also forces you to allow the poor onto your land during time of harvest. You are prohibited to pick up anything harvested on your own land if it is dropped, yet the poor are freely allowed to pick it up and run off.

Not only that. Every third and sixth year of a 7 year sabbath cycle you are legally required to give an additional 10% agrarian land tax in order to ensure that the network of storehouses throughout the nation are stocked with enough grain to feed the poor and needy classes.

In addition to these legal entitlements regarding your harvest on your property, you are encouraged to give to charitably to the needy throughout the year if you happen to see anyone of your fellow countrymen in need.

Essentially the poor and the needy are legally entitled to a portion of your increase (income). How do you feel about that as a landowner? Is it theft???

Please read the following article from the Holman Bible Dictionary: JUSTICE - http://www.studylight.org/dictionari...USTICE#JUSTICE

How does your philosophy that entitlement is theft stand up to God's Law regarding a nation's responsibility to care for the poor, needy, widows, orphans, and even strangers (resident aliens)???

So now you wish to put us back under the law? I recall some random guy (you've probably never heard of him, went by the name Paul...something or other), saying we were no longer under law, but under grace. By the way, our government takes FAR more than that.

[Esaias]

Under the law, that Aquila points to, not only would we allow the poor to glean our fields but adulterers, sodomites, and juvenile delinquents would all be given capital punishment.

But let us pick and choose what's convenient.