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04-24-2016, 08:52 PM
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Re: Who really is Satan?
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
Its a figure of speech. He also called Peter a rock
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John 8:44
Ye are of your father the devil,
and the lusts of your father ye will do.
Is this how you distinguish
the difference between the children of God
and the children of the devil?
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04-25-2016, 03:49 AM
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Re: Who really is Satan?
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Originally Posted by HappyJ
John 8:44
Ye are of your father the devil,
and the lusts of your father ye will do.
Is this how you distinguish
the difference between the children of God
and the children of the devil?
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this was also figurative
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04-25-2016, 06:28 AM
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Re: Who really is Satan?
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
this was also figurative
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How do you determine what Jesus said is figurative
and what is not figurative?
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04-25-2016, 07:55 AM
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Re: Who really is Satan?
by trusting some guy with a tie to tell us, of course. All of those "bad" verses apply to other people 
If you then, being evil... reinforces this idea. Others also.
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04-25-2016, 01:02 PM
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Re: Who really is Satan?
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Originally Posted by shazeep
by trusting some guy with a tie to tell us, of course. All of those "bad" verses apply to other people
If you then, being evil... reinforces this idea. Others also. |
Do you really believe this?
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04-25-2016, 01:36 PM
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Re: Who really is Satan?
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Originally Posted by HappyJ
How do you determine what Jesus said is figurative
and what is not figurative?
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Well you have to be intelligent. You have to pray for wisdom.
Satan is not a man. We can see that from several scriptures. So clearly to any intelligent being Peter is not literally Satan.
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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04-25-2016, 02:26 PM
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Re: Who really is Satan?
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
Well you have to be intelligent. You have to pray for wisdom.
Satan is not a man. We can see that from several scriptures. So clearly to any intelligent being Peter is not literally Satan.
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Mark 8:33
But when he had turned about and looked on his disciples,
he rebuked Peter, saying, Get thee behind me,
Satan: for thou savourest not the things that be of God,
but the things that be of men.
Is this all just figurative
or had Satan entered into Peter?
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04-25-2016, 03:02 PM
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Re: Who really is Satan?
Peter was just choosing what any well meaning religionist would choose; prolly not the same thing as possession.
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Originally Posted by HappyJ
Do you really believe this?
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yes, and i can support it with Scripture in many, many places. You do not eat only plants, per the beginning of Genesis, but animals also, per later. You use fire. Man is "fallen." Even nature reflects satan's influence, imo. You are forgiven upon rebound, and might reach a state of perfection, but thinking that it just happens after some altar works is imagination, imo.
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05-06-2016, 08:39 AM
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Re: Who really is Satan?
Now the devil was more subtil
than any spirit in the Christian churches.
And he said unto HappyJ, Yea, hath Jesus said,
unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan:
And HappyJ said unto the devil, I believe Jesus word for word.
And the devil said unto the Word,
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Originally Posted by Servant's <3
Really??...... really?
So Peter is chosen to basically start the New Testament church and performs all kinds of miracles in Jesus name. Jesus sends him a vision for gentiles and Peter strives for the rest of his life to do what Jesus told him to do until his execution because of the name of Jesus and you somehow get the notion that Peter will be denied by Jesus? Peter professed Jesus name until his murder. So the very notion he didn't because of 3 trials that he failed doesn't wash.
By your logic there is no such thing as forgiveness?...
If Peter isn't going to heaven Lord knows none of the rest of us are. Heaven gonna be pretty much empty by your logic.
Paul didn't believe Jesus was the Christ either initially, so according to you he also is going to hell. Peter also wrote some books of the bible.... if he is going to hell they should be ignored.
All manner of sins (pretty much) can be forgiven, including denying Jesus. One must be truly repentant but it can be forgiven.
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05-06-2016, 08:40 AM
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Re: Who really is Satan?
Now the devil was more subtil
than any spirit in the Christian churches.
And he said unto HappyJ, Yea, hath Jesus said,
unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan:
And HappyJ said unto the devil, I believe Jesus word for word.
And the devil said unto the Word,
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Originally Posted by Esaias
Luke 22:31-32 shows us that Peter's failure and denial of Christ would be temporary, and that Peter would be converted, because Jesus had prayed for him.
So, no, Jesus will not deny Peter before the Father.
When he said "and one of you is a devil" he was referring to Judas, not Peter.
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