The Original Matthew 28:19 Restored

[Charnock]

"I believe every word in THE BOOK!"

Until I don't, then I'll change it to my liking.

"Those who add to THE BOOK are cursed."

Except those who add "With the initial evidence of speaking in other tongues" to the end of Acts 2:38.

"You can't trust new translations."

Except ours, of course.

[seguidordejesus]

Originally Posted by Charnock

"I believe every word in THE BOOK!"

Until I don't, then I'll change it to my liking.

"Those who add to THE BOOK are cursed."

Except those who add "With the initial evidence of speaking in other tongues" to the end of Acts 2:38.

"You can't trust new translations."

Except ours, of course.

[FlamingZword]

Jesus, In my name

"shall cast out devils"
"shall speak with new tongues"
"shall take up serpents"
"drink any deadly thing"
"shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover."
"receive a little child"
"two or three shall gather together"
"shall do miracles"
"shall give you a cup of water to drink"
"ye shall ask whatsoever"
"shall ask any thing"
"must suffer"
"endured hardships"

"but you shall baptize in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit."

[votivesoul]

Why do you feel the need to denigrate the KJV at virtually every turn?

Not at every turn. But it needs to be said. The KJV is all kinds of messed up. Take a Strong's Concordance and looks up some words and see for yourself. I've read the thing 20X or more. I'm telling you, as far as translations go, it's not as good as others.

But that's not the biggest deal. The issue is how so many people swear by it being flawless, and have come to some poor doctrinal conclusions due to the translation issues present.

A greater understanding of the socio-political milieu of the times in which the KJV was created would benefit us all. Just because it doesn't have a copyright on it doesn't mean it's the best translation available.

I'm not saying the saving message of the Gospel can't be discerned or obeyed from it. Much of it is good, but some of it is way off. The portions that are way off concern me, because they have caused many people to be abused and mistreated by supposed order of divine fiat, since the "Bible says...", when it doesn't actually say. Rather, the KJV mistakenly says...

[votivesoul]

Additionally, if one of the premiere New Testament Greek scholars has his doubts about the King James Version of the Bible, it would do some good to ask why (hence the link I posted earlier).

Here is his page at Dallas Theological Seminary:

http://www.dts.edu/about/faculty/dwallace/

[votivesoul]

Originally Posted by votivesoul

Not at every turn. But it needs to be said. The KJV is all kinds of messed up. Take a Strong's Concordance and looks up some words and see for yourself. I've read the thing 20X or more. I'm telling you, as far as translations go, it's not as good as others.

But that's not the biggest deal. The issue is how so many people swear by it being flawless, and have come to some poor doctrinal conclusions due to the translation issues present.

A greater understanding of the socio-political milieu of the times in which the KJV was created would benefit us all. Just because it doesn't have a copyright on it doesn't mean it's the best translation available.

I'm not saying the saving message of the Gospel can't be discerned or obeyed from it. Much of it is good, but some of it is way off. The portions that are way off concern me, because they have caused many people to be abused and mistreated by supposed order of divine fiat, since the "Bible says...", when it doesn't actually say. Rather, the KJV mistakenly says...

http://www.servantsnews.com/PDF/govhum.pdf

It's a long read (not written by me). Take time. But if you do, you will see the ONE area I think the KJV has seriously misled so many people, leading to all sorts of abuses towards and against God's Holy People.

It's the reason for the blog entry I posted in Deep Waters "Why Some People Fall". Also for my particular posts in Esaias's "Sitting Under A Pastor?" post.

This stuff is monumental. The Church can't become glorious without a renewal and revelation of these truths.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Esaias

All four quotations read like paraphrases. What are the actual citations you allude to?

Bump

[seguidordejesus]

By the way, FlamerZ, the word is hundreds, not hundredths. I'm not normally one to nitpick grammar/spelling online, but if you are making such a simple mistake in English (two times, not an accident), how on earth would you be qualified to evaluate Greek? I'm not trying to be insulting, I'm really not, but you are completely wresting the word of God here to make it say what you want it to, without any qualifications to back it up.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by seguidordejesus

By the way, FlamerZ, the word is hundreds, not hundredths. I'm not normally one to nitpick grammar/spelling online, but if you are making such a simple mistake in English (two times, not an accident), how on earth would you be qualified to evaluate Greek? I'm not trying to be insulting, I'm really not, but you are completely wresting the word of God here to make it say what you want it to, without any qualifications to back it up.

FZ is a mess bro. He actually wants to write his own translation.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Sean

FZ is a mess bro. He actually wants to write his own translation.

So do you.