Had a dream...

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by votivesoul

Dreams from God are (usually) never really what they seem. Joseph's and Pharaoh's dreams were highly symbolic. So were Nebuchadnezzar's.

If your dream is from the Lord, I wouldn't go looking for a literal interpretation. Look for the symbols.

A case in point. From the first weeks of my conversion until just last week, I have had, off and on, dreams about missiles flying through the air of the United States, taking everyone by surprise, causing terror and panic. For the longest time, I used to wonder about someone attacking the US or some other "endtime" thing coming to pass.

But after this last dream, I feel like the Lord has, after all these years, given me wisdom to understand. I was meditating on the dream, and the phrase "war in the sky" came to mind, and with it, the key to understanding. These dreams aren't about literal attacks coming from some wherever-ville. They are indicators of the spiritual warfare in "high places" that is taking place over the United States on a regular basis.

God has been given me visions upon my bed about a spiritual reality, in a way that I could (finally!) comprehend.

So, what about your dream? What symbols in it can you comprehend, to showcase what the dream is really about? Mega-churches teaming up, female pastors/preachers, money, and etc.?

What kind of things could these things stand in for, in a spiritual sense? If you don't take the dream literally, what would it mean?

That's the course of action I would take in order to try and interpret/make sense of the dream.

Awesome!

[houston]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Large UPCI church hosting meetings with neighboring large Baptist church pastored by a prominent woman (???)...

Both churches famous, both pastors famous. Large churches, everybody dressed to kill like a Clinton fundraiser, you could smell the money.

Dinner served at a meeting where the two pastors and close staff were on hand. Building inside looked like the old Life Tabernacle place on Broadway in Houston (Kilgore's old place). Maroon carpet, kind of dark and subdued, lots of reddish lighting, mahogany and cherry wood paneling. Bldg obviously old but still in use.

Had a feeling this was out west, CA maybe?

Anyway, just putting it down "for the record". Might have just been the El Charrito dinner I ate... ugh last time I do that, probably.

Baptist woman pastor?
Never heard of such.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by houston

Baptist woman pastor?
Never heard of such.

http://www.christianpost.com/news/ba...x-love-107123/

[Monterrey]

Originally Posted by votivesoul

If money is involved, I would be more concerned about the error and doctrine of Balaam than the "spirit" of Jezebel. Balaam, not Jezebel, loved the wages of unrighteousness, i.e. the fee for divination. He got paid to bless, curse, and/or prophesy.

Great post ...

Have you considered that it is possible that the spirit of baalam and the spirit of jezebel are the same spirit, just working in two different groups.

Baalam works in preachers, Jezebel works in women who think they are preachers, want to be preachers, want to head up their home in disobedience to their own husband... etc.

The reason I believe that they could be the same spirit is that they both produce the same results in the church.

Rev 2:14 But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication.

Rev 2:20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.

Just interesting about the spirit world.

[houston]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

http://www.christianpost.com/news/ba...x-love-107123/

Not a real baptist denomination.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by houston

Not a real baptist denomination.

Yeah right.

[Evang.Benincasa]

http://fellowshipbaptistamericus.com/

Are these guys real Baptists?

http://www.churchatponceandhighland....y-and-deacons/

How about these guys?

Their name was Druid Hills Baptist. Does a church have to say Baptist in the title to be Baptist? Or do they have to be part of the Southern Baptist Convention? If the state of Rhode Island was the first Baptist colony (to my knowledge) why would Southern be the most authoritative Baptist group?

I don't know, this is why I am asking instead of assuming.

[votivesoul]

Originally Posted by Monterrey

Great post ...

Have you considered that it is possible that the spirit of baalam and the spirit of jezebel are the same spirit, just working in two different groups.

Baalam works in preachers, Jezebel works in women who think they are preachers, want to be preachers, want to head up their home in disobedience to their own husband... etc.

The reason I believe that they could be the same spirit is that they both produce the same results in the church.

Rev 2:14 But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication.

Rev 2:20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.

Just interesting about the spirit world.

Definitely seems to be a correlation. What it is, exactly, however, is beyond my ability to see.

I will say this, though. The accusation of "Jezebel" against women in the church by pastors and preachers runs unchecked while almost no one accuses pastors or preachers of being Balaams.

Note, too, that Jezebel seduces Christ's servants or douloi, the most common word for Apostles and Prophets in the New Testament. So, if Jezebel is a spirit, it afflicts the ministry, not your average woman in the church.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

http://fellowshipbaptistamericus.com/

Are these guys real Baptists?

http://www.churchatponceandhighland....y-and-deacons/

How about these guys?

Their name was Druid Hills Baptist. Does a church have to say Baptist in the title to be Baptist? Or do they have to be part of the Southern Baptist Convention? If the state of Rhode Island was the first Baptist colony (to my knowledge) why would Southern be the most authoritative Baptist group?

I don't know, this is why I am asking instead of assuming.

Years ago the house church fellowship we were with down in Houston held a small 'camp meeting'. Several members from a Baptist church in Louisiana came to fellowship with us. They were Oneness, Jesus name, Holy Ghost people, as far as I could tell. Church name was something like 'Unity Baptist Church'.

[thephnxman]

Originally Posted by votivesoul

Definitely seems to be a correlation. What it is, exactly, however, is beyond my ability to see.
1) I will say this, though. The accusation of "Jezebel" against women in the church by pastors and preachers runs unchecked while
2) almost no one accuses pastors or preachers of being Balaams.
Note, too, that Jezebel seduces Christ's servants or doulci, the most common word for Apostles and Prophets in the New Testament.
3) So, if Jezebel is a spirit, it afflicts the ministry, not your average woman in the church.

(1) The "spirit of Jezebel" first affects the women, who in turn seduce
the
men. This has been satan's plan from the beginning, when Eve "...took of
the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and
he did eat." We find the same testimony in Gen 6, when "...the sons of God
saw the daughters of men...'; then again, when Balaam taught Balak how
to overcome/conquer the Israelites.

(2) True: but only because they are more difficult to identify: seeing
they are hiding behind the pulpit! Have you not read: "...the sons of God
came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also AMONG
them."? Satan knows the Lord will not destroy the tares with the wheat!

(3) Jezebel certainly "afflicts the ministry", but it does it through the
women who are willing to dishonor their OWN husbands.

"Any woman praying or prophesying with her head uncovered...".