Is suicide a sin? - Page 5

n david · #41 04-08-2015, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Livelystone

Meanwhile, try going to the wastelands in Africa and tell the people living there they need to either build a still or move

So.....they should kill themselves? Absurd.

Livelystone · #42 04-08-2015, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by shazeep

Hey, what if "quality hospice organizations" is an oxymoron? i personally find that method at least as reprehensible as a bullet.

How you find it does not matter....... it is how the dying are treated that matters to them and to God

Not everyone gets to die in the sleep let alone have persons who care enough about them to be there for them

Livelystone · #43 04-08-2015, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by n david

So.....they should kill themselves? Absurd.

Who said anything about should?

The thread topic is if it is a sin that is going to send someone who purposely allows their own life to your definition of hell

Stay on topic !!!

shazeep · #44 04-08-2015, 10:11 AM

well now that is a different subject; and i have no doubt that water poisoners will be dealt with, also. If one does not get to die in their sleep, then perhaps they should rebound (repent, to you) while they are awake? And surely their "treatment" by others may certainly reflect on those others.

shazeep · #45 04-08-2015, 10:20 AM

everyone dies. A harsh truth is that some--or many--die by means other than "in their sleep," but it can easily be forgotten that these lives are in God's hands, too. I know it seems harsh; and i thank God for my health (i was suicidal from about age 13 to age 40), and i pray for those in poor health...but suicide is the ultimate denial of God, imo.

n david · #46 04-08-2015, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Livelystone

What if your only water supply guaranteed you becoming terminal ill when all you have for further than you can walk is parched land with no water?

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Originally Posted by Livelystone

Meanwhile, try going to the wastelands in Africa and tell the people living there they need to either build a still or move

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Originally Posted by Livelystone

Who said anything about should?

The thread topic is if it is a sin that is going to send someone who purposely allows (You mean "takes," right?) their own life to your definition of hell

Stay on topic !!!

I am on topic. You posted some extreme "what if" scenario where you imply a person should commit suicide instead of drinking poisoned water.

Yes, IMO, it's a sin to take your own life, regardless of the circumstance. No, IMO, a person who commits suicide will not go to heaven. It's never a courageous act.

Aquila · #47 04-08-2015, 11:57 AM

Most of the suicides I've known were very tormented and hurting individuals. Personally, I believe that evil spirits often torment and drive hurting people to suicide. Those who are driven by pain or influence to suicide are victims, not perpetrators. I believe that God's grace and mercy knows how to wipe all their tears away and is fully capable of bringing comfort and solace to their family and loved ones.

There is only one unforgiveable sin. And that is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.

Aquila · #48 04-08-2015, 12:04 PM

Factors that I believe are responsible for suicide:

1.) Chemical imbalances.
2.) Extreme chronic physical pain.
4.) Extreme emotional pain.
3.) Spiritual oppression/possession.

I do believe that there can be a combination of these factors at work at a given time.

thephnxman · #49 04-08-2015, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Aquila

Most of the suicides I've known were very tormented and hurting individuals. Personally, I believe that evil spirits often torment and drive hurting people to suicide. Those who are driven by pain or influence to suicide are victims, not perpetrators. I believe that God's grace and mercy knows how to wipe all their tears away and is fully capable of bringing comfort and solace to their family and loved ones.
There is only one unforgiveable sin. And that is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.

What are "God's mercy and grace"?

If a person is deceived ... "...you are drawn away of your own lusts...". Are we
(I mean Christians) even close to understanding and agreeing with this topic?

shazeep · #50 04-08-2015, 03:35 PM

yes--obviously God's grace has been rejected, in suicide. i can speak from experience here. God simply refused to have it my way, and i was not willing to budge at the time.

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Originally Posted by Aquila

Most of the suicides I've known were very tormented and hurting individuals. Personally, I believe that evil spirits often torment and drive hurting people to suicide. Those who are driven by pain or influence to suicide are victims, not perpetrators. I believe that God's grace and mercy knows how to wipe all their tears away and is fully capable of bringing comfort and solace to their family and loved ones.

There is only one unforgiveable sin. And that is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.

...which no one seems to be clear on, either...

we are all victims, until we learn to overcome; but a suicide has become a perp, like any other sinner, imo, except that they cannot un-hypocritically ask forgiveness for their sin.