Random Revival Rhetoric

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by n david

The multitude who shouted, "Crucify Him!" were in unity. Just saying...

Yes, it shows how unity works - either for good or evil. But it does produce results. Just sayin'....

[n david]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Yes, it shows how unity works - either for good or evil. But it does produce results. Just sayin'....

I'm not going to argue with you, PO. I already stated that there can be revival with unity. I never said unity doesn't bring results. In fact, that's the whole point of my quote. Unity does bring results; however, unity doesn't guarantee revival. Revival can come through unity, but just because a hundred million Catholics are in unity doesn't mean the RCC is having revival.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by n david

I'm not going to argue with you, PO. I already stated that there can be revival with unity. I never said unity doesn't bring results. In fact, that's the whole point of my quote. Unity does bring results; however, unity doesn't guarantee revival. Revival can come through unity, but just because a hundred million Catholics are in unity doesn't mean the RCC is having revival.

But you are trying to stretch the point that those under the Apostle's doctrine don't have to have unity to have revival and I don't believe that one bit. The towns they shook the dust off their feet didn't receive revival because they were not in unity, accepting truth. That could work the same way in any church setting - you don't believe, you don't receive.

I don't care what other people are doing in unity - atheists, etc. Catholicism is false doctrine and doesn't fit into the conversation of truth, which makes what they do a moot point to the Apostles.

[Dordrecht]

People can be in unity and be without revival.

Lol. Sure.
Satan and his cohorts are in unity.
So is the mafia. Up to a point.

[Dordrecht]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

But you are trying to stretch the point that those under the Apostle's doctrine don't have to have unity to have revival and I don't believe that one bit. The towns they shook the dust off their feet didn't receive revival because they were not in unity, accepting truth. That could work the same way in any church setting - you don't believe, you don't receive.

I don't care what other people are doing in unity - atheists, etc. Catholicism is false doctrine and doesn't fit into the conversation of truth, which makes what they do a moot point to the Apostles.

Amen.

[Dordrecht]

Which things would encourage revivals?

[A239]

From my post earlier:

Do you know what a revival is? Let's take the word part shall we? Revive comes from the Latin roots re-, meaning “again,” and vivere, meaning “to live.” So, the word revive means “live again.” No, bringing folks back from the dead isn’t what we are talking about. All the backsliders who once had eternal life but now have eternal death may be brought back to life. So, I would assume that a revival would be one or more people being either save again after backsliding and we can broaden it for all who are saved. So one or more person receiving the gift of the Holy Ghost would be a revival of sorts.

So is the revival all of you are referring to just a move of God, miracles happening, ect?
My definition of a real revival, is a lost or dead soul (dead as in not saved so they will be going to hell until saved) being saved (one or more). So could a revival not be personal? If it's only you who it has effected, and you prayed through at your house, could that not be a personal revival, alone, without unity? What brother Chavis was saying is that when two or more get together it's stated in the bible that things will happen if it's the will of God. He was using the two people as examples. It's the same as saying you and I together. What do we have to do with it? Nothing.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

But you are trying to stretch the point that those under the Apostle's doctrine don't have to have unity to have revival and I don't believe that one bit.

Not at all what I'm saying.

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

The towns they shook the dust off their feet didn't receive revival because they were not in unity, accepting truth.

That's interesting personal commentary. The reason for shaking the dust off their feet was because they rejected the message of Paul and Barnabas. No need to add to the scripture.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by n david

Not at all what I'm saying.


That's interesting personal commentary. The reason for shaking the dust off their feet was because they rejected the message of Paul and Barnabas. No need to add to the scripture.

Your editing skills are impressive or not, David. In order to win the point, you always leave off the explanatory part of a person's statement. I'm beginning to notice a pattern with you.

This is the text with my COMPLETE wording:

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

The towns they shook the dust off their feet didn't receive revival because they were not in unity, accepting truth. That could work the same way in any church setting - you don't believe, you don't receive.

[n david]

Originally Posted by JacobSauceda

From my post earlier:

Do you know what a revival is? Let's take the word part shall we? Revive comes from the Latin roots re-, meaning “again,” and vivere, meaning “to live.” So, the word revive means “live again.” No, bringing folks back from the dead isn’t what we are talking about. All the backsliders who once had eternal life but now have eternal death may be brought back to life. So, I would assume that a revival would be one or more people being either save again after backsliding and we can broaden it for all who are saved. So one or more person receiving the gift of the Holy Ghost would be a revival of sorts.

We agree on this. Revival can happen with one or more. It doesn't require a crowd.

Originally Posted by JacobSauceda

So is the revival all of you are referring to, is just a move of God, miracles happening, ect?

Some believe revival is a series of services where people come, dance and shout, maybe people get the HG, maybe not. Revival is as you described.

Originally Posted by JacobSauceda

My definition of a real revival, is a lost or dead soul (dead as in not saved so they will be going to hell until saved) being saved (one or more). So could a revival not be personal? If it's only you who it has effected, and you prayed through at your house, could that not be a personal revival, alone, without unity?

Agreed.

Originally Posted by JacobSauceda

What brother Chavis was saying is that when two or more get together using the two people as examples. It's the same as saying you and I together. What do we have to do with it? Nothing.

I still don't agree with the original quote. Revival doesn't come from a Pastor and praiser making a Holy Ghost connection. Revival comes from an individual making a connection to God, not a Pastor or other person.