Can a true Christian embrace Che Guevarra ?

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind

dropping 2 atomic bombs and slaughtering millions of people are acts of liberation. ultimate hogwash, twisted radical right wing thinking. i would rather be in hell than to serve a god that would allow you into heaven.

Wow, DM. Be careful what you wish for.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind

i don't advocate violence but murder is in the eye of the beholder. the british consider george washington a murderer. southeners consider lincoln a murderer. iraqis consider bush a murderer. the japanese consider truman a murderer who did drop an atomic bomb. whose view is valid? i don't consider che a murderer. it's called ethnocentricity, an ethnic point of view.

to this day I have never heard a Brit or a Southerner refer to either as a murderer

But let's cut the obfuscation...I don't have an avatar of Bush or Truman. I don't follow either nor advocate either. I advocate Jesus Christ...

[Praxeas]

An essay by Dr. Douglas Young, Professor of Political Science & History at Gainesville State College
February 10, 2009
Hollywood has dutifully churned out yet another cinematic agitprop paean to a leftist “martyr,” this time Ernesto Guevara. So let’s recall the real “Che” and try to discern why many supposedly democratic, civil libertarian liberals still swoon over this Stalinist mass-murderer.

The meticulous myth of Senor Guevara is of a handsome Argentine heroically helping Fidel Castro’s guerrillas liberate Cuba from Fulgencio Batista’s military dictatorship in 1959. Then he became a global revolutionary icon inspiring the downtrodden to rise up everywhere, even personally leading rebel warriors in the Congo before being executed doing the same in Bolivia in 1967. The (communist) party line says Che personifies the selfless humanitarian courageously fighting for “social justice.” He’s the Marxists’ martyred Christ figure replete with pictures of his half-naked corpse riddled with bullet holes. And the classic poster of an angry young Guevara has scarred countless college dorm rooms for over 40 years, putting a face on the eternally young rebel for angry adolescents everywhere.

The real Guevara was a reckless bourgeois adrenaline-junkie seeking a place in history as a liberator of the oppressed. But this fanatic’s vehicle of “liberation” was Stalinism, named for Soviet dictator Josef Stalin, murderer of well over 20 million of his own people. As one of Castro’s top lieutenants, Che helped steer Cuba’s revolutionary regime in a radically repressive direction. Soon after overthrowing Batista, Guevara choreographed the executions of hundreds of Batista officials without any fair trials. He thought nothing of summarily executing even fellow guerrillas suspected of disloyalty and shot one himself with no due process.

Che was a purist political fanatic who saw everything in stark black and white. Therefore he vociferously opposed freedoms of religion, speech, press, assembly, protest, or any other rights not completely consistent with his North Korean-style communism. How many rock music-loving teens sporting Guevara t-shirts today know their hero supported Cuba’s 1960s’ repression of the genre? How many homosexual fans know he had gays jailed?

Did the Obama volunteers in that Texas campaign headquarters with Che’s poster on the wall know that Guevara fervently opposed any free elections? How “progressive” is that?

How socially just was it that Che was enraged when the Russians blinked during the 1962 Cuban missile crisis and withdrew their nuclear missiles from the island, thus averting a nuclear war? Guevara was such a zealous ideologue that he relished the specter of millions of Cuban lives sacrificed on the altar of communism, declaring Cuba “a people ready to sacrifice itself to nuclear arms, that its ashes might serve as a basis for new societies.” Some humanitarian.

Che was a narcissist who boasted that “I have no house, wife, children, parents, or brothers; my friends are friends as long as they think like me, politically.” This is a role model for today’s “post-political” voters claiming we should get beyond partisanship?

Adding to the ridiculousness of the Che cult is that he was virtually a complete failure. As a medical doctor, he never even had a practice. When put in charge of the Cuban economy at the start of Castro’s government, his uncompromising communist diktats ran it completely into the ground, from which it never recovered. Humiliated, and also angry that Castro wasn’t fomenting enough revolution abroad, he then tried to lead such quixotic adventures in Argentina, the Congo, and Bolivia, failing miserably everywhere while sacrificing the lives of scores of naïve, idealistic young followers as deluded pawns in the service of his personality cult.

Another reason he fled Cuba in the mid-1960s was the complete mess he made of his private life. Though he preached sexual purity to his colleagues, he was a shameless adulterer who abandoned two wives and many children, some legitimate, others not. As a grandson put it, “he was never home.” The public Che who supposedly had such great love for humanity privately couldn’t stand most folks.

Guevara’s promiscuous communist adventurism was the pattern of a terminal adolescent running away from his problems to get caught up in some heroic crusade against his eternal bete noir, “Yankee imperialism.”

So why do so many well-heeled American libs still admire this thug? Are the young simply ignorant of his execrable record and drawn to the image of the dashing young rebel? Do older progressives feel guilt for their free market prosperity, and showing solidarity with Che absolves them? Do hippies-turned-yuppies get nostalgic for their youthful protests and rationalize that the symbolism of Che as a “social reformer” eclipses his actual horrific human rights record? And are some American Guevaraistas truly dangerous leftists who seek to emulate their icon and destroy our free, democratic, capitalist society? Ask that guy wearing the Che t-shirt.

http://www.therealcuba.com/MurderedbyChe.htm

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind

the policies of the federal government is the will of the majority of americans. we have a mechanism to decide the constitutionality of federal law. unfortunately you radical right wing states will have to swallow what the federal government dishes out. it is the fate of america and the will of god. the world is doomed to unite under the antichrist and socialism will be the mechanism. get used to it.

And you support Socialism???

[Praxeas]

"To send men to the firing squad, judicial proof is unnecessary...These procedures are an archaic bourgeois detail. This is a revolution! And a revolutionary must become a cold killing machine motivated by pure hate. We must create the pedagogy of the The Wall! (El Paredón)" --Ernesto 'Che' Guevara

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind

there are millions of white people who don't consider che a murderer but consider truman to be a murderer. ethnocentricity is a fault. righteous judgement void of ethnicity is what many conservatives lack.

Won't work. The Constitution is color blind.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

Wow, DM. Be careful what you wish for.

I still say this poster (DM) is just a parody, someone joking around.

[deacon blues]

Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind

jay you are uninformed. hugo chaves has lowered extreme poverty in his country by 50 percent. http://venezuelanalysis.com/news/7489

Because Venezuela has massive oil reserves and the economy is funded by free markets in America and Europe buying and using Venezuelan oil. Socialism isn't making Venezuela work, capitalism (in other countries) keeps Venezuela alive.

[Jermyn Davidson]

The Bible clearly states there is a time for war.
There is a time for killing.
I don't agree with Che Guevarra, but if there is someone that is making the argument that a Christian shouldn't support Guevarra because of his stance on war is wrong.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

to this day I have never heard a Brit or a Southerner refer to either as a murderer

But let's cut the obfuscation...I don't have an avatar of Bush or Truman. I don't follow either nor advocate either. I advocate Jesus Christ...

I'm a Southron. While Lincoln may not have been a murderer himself, he certainly was responsible for a whole lot of raping, pillaging, burning, and murdering.

Lincoln was a first-class dictator.

Now, Sherman? Yeah, those who directly authorize murder are murderers, in my book.