Knowing The Terror Of The Lord

[Michael The Disciple]

Ok I just checked my eight version New Testament.

KJV
Todays English Version
Living Bible
NIV
Phillips Version
Jerusalem Bible
Revised Standard
New English Bible

Not one use "respect" or "reverence" in that verse. They all use "fear" or "solemn" fear.

I checked my New King James Greek Interlinear. It uses "fear".

Checked my Jay Green Interlinear. It uses "fear".

If you find a Bible version that uses repect, or reverence in that verse let me know.

[Michael The Disciple]

My point in the thread is to show that Paul the Apostle who taught from the Holy Ghost believed that FEAR was a good incentive to give Christians to provoke them to a life whereby they might be accepted by Christ on judgment day.

I would never (and have never) said LOVE is not primary in a walk with Christ Jesus. You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, mind and strength. Only when you are engaging him like this you will continue with him.

And yet the scriptures give FEAR also as an essential ingredient of the Christian walk.

One need not walk around every moment meditating on his fear. Yet it needs to be sown into our heart so that just IF in your love toward God you find a temptation you think you just cant pass up you will understand that YES he just might punish you immediately. Or even worse perhaps lead to spiritual ruin and being rejected of him on that day.

Love and fear are both used in Gods plan. I have noticed over the years many do not want to accept this truth. Its ok to embrace it. There just may be times in our lives it will be the very thing that keeps us from sinning.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by TGBTG

Jude
21 Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.
22 And of some have compassion, making a difference:
23 And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.
24 Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,
25 To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.

It's a two-sided sword...

Amen

[Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Ok I just checked my eight version New Testament.

KJV
Todays English Version
Living Bible
NIV
Phillips Version
Jerusalem Bible
Revised Standard
New English Bible

Not one use "respect" or "reverence" in that verse. They all use "fear" or "solemn" fear.

I checked my New King James Greek Interlinear. It uses "fear".

Checked my Jay Green Interlinear. It uses "fear".

If you find a Bible version that uses repect, or reverence in that verse let me know.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English says, "because we know the awesomeness of our Lord"
NIRV says, "we know what it means to have respect for the Lord."

While I do place value on comparing translations, I do place greater value on lexicons. That's why I went straight to the lexicon earlier. The word has multiple meanings, and this scripture verse is linked to "reverence and respect" not "fear, dread and terror." Thayer's says this, and specifically links the verse. If you look at biblestudytools.com, the lexicon there also lists "reverence and respect" as one of the meanings of the word. This is just what the word means, it has multiple meanings.

[Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

My point in the thread is to show that Paul the Apostle who taught from the Holy Ghost believed that FEAR was a good incentive to give Christians to provoke them to a life whereby they might be accepted by Christ on judgment day.

I would never (and have never) said LOVE is not primary in a walk with Christ Jesus. You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, mind and strength. Only when you are engaging him like this you will continue with him.

And yet the scriptures give FEAR also as an essential ingredient of the Christian walk.

One need not walk around every moment meditating on his fear. Yet it needs to be sown into our heart so that just IF in your love toward God you find a temptation you think you just cant pass up you will understand that YES he just might punish you immediately. Or even worse perhaps lead to spiritual ruin and being rejected of him on that day.

Love and fear are both used in Gods plan. I have noticed over the years many do not want to accept this truth. Its ok to embrace it. There just may be times in our lives it will be the very thing that keeps us from sinning.

Yes, Paul did think that reverence, respect and awe of God was a great incentive to live for God. So do I. I do not, however, think that terror is a good incentive. If terror is really what's meant here, how do you reconcile the contradiction between this verse and 1 John 4:18 (which is, incidentally, linked to the terror/dread/fear meaning in Thayer's lexicon)?

[Scott Hutchinson]

I haven't read all of these posts,but the fear of The Lord is the beginning of wisdom,The Lord desires for us to walk in perfection.

[Michael The Disciple]

Looked up the words "respect" and "reverence" in Strongs.

Respect is used 11 times and NEVER comes from the Greek 5401 we are discussing "phobos".

Reverence is used 6 times and never comes from 5401.

Here are some scriptures where "phobos" is used:

Howbeit no man spake openly of him for fear of the Jews. John 7:13

And after this Joseph of Arimathaea, being a disciple of Jesus, but secretly for fear of the Jews, besought Pilate that he might take away the body of Jesus: and Pilate gave him leave. John 19:38

Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken. Luke 21:26

His countenance was like lightning, and his raiment white as snow: 4 And for fear of him the keepers did shake , and became as dead men. Matt. 28:3-4

And the kings of the earth, who have committed fornication and lived deliciously with her, shall bewail her, and lament for her, when they shall see the smoke of her burning, 10 Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying , Alas, alas, that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come. Rev. 18:9-10

This is a few examples to show that the Greek word "phobos" indeed carries the meaning Strongs gives it.

The same word "phobos" used in these scriptures is what Paul said he knew. The terror (phobos) of the Lord.

Its pretty obvious to me this word does not mean "reverence" or "respect". Those words come from other Greek words not this one.

Click here

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_langu...obia_come_from




Phobia comes from the Greek φόβος, phóbos, meaning fear or morbid fear.

[Michael The Disciple]

Based on the fact Paul knew the terror/fear of the Lord he persuaded men. He said WE LABOR to be accepted by the Lord.

So we are not automatically accepted by him.

[Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Looked up the words "respect" and "reverence" in Strongs.

Strongs is a concordance, not a lexicon.

Further, wikianswers it not a reliable source.

http://truthortradition.com/modules....rticle&sid=738

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Based on the fact Paul knew the terror/fear of the Lord he persuaded men. He said WE LABOR to be accepted by the Lord.

So we are not automatically accepted by him.

Paul did not speak about bent accepted as far as salvation were concerned, or else that would be salvation by works. He is speaking about being accepted as a worker that has done the duty one should do, apart from going to heaven or not. He will judge us for our efforts totally apart from going to heaven or not. It is for rewards and rebuke, etc. not salvation.