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02-17-2011, 08:05 AM
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Re: Survey About Doctrinal Beliefs
I hope I don't ramble on here...but I have observed some things while here on AFF that I can relate to, so here goes. I believe that there are many folks on here that were and maybe still are a part of what is termed "Traditional Apostolic" (That being all the statements of the first post from OP). In saying that, I also believe that there have been many here that have been hurt and wounded...not so much by the devil, but by there own apostolic kinsmen.
I realize that truth is truth regardless, but I also find it important to note that when truth is used violently, and manipulativley, it can sour the whole lump if you will. There are folks on here that have "gotten over" the hurt, but I believe there are others who are still in the ER. I have heard the basic tennants of ACTS 2:38 and have obeyed what I heard preached and taught. I thank God for my experience with Him and my brothers and Sisters. I have also sat in the same place and heard many other messages that were tethered to "truth", and at their core were designed to control not only what goes on in the four walls of the church, but also the four walls of the home. I have seen alot of lines crossed.
I have also seen Holiness "Standards lived to the tee, and the same folks be as gentle and loving as can be -AWESOME! On the other hand I have also seen folks walk it and talk it, and backslide totally. Much good...also much bad. That is life. When people get shaken to their core...they often re-examine the core. sometimes they find themselves remaining the same in beliefs and practices...sometimes they change. At the end of the day..God is still God and the truth is He knows the heart of the individual, it's my job to love people, not sit in the seat of judgement.
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02-17-2011, 08:22 AM
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Re: Survey About Doctrinal Beliefs
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Originally Posted by The Lemon
I hope I don't ramble on here...but I have observed some things while here on AFF that I can relate to, so here goes. I believe that there are many folks on here that were and maybe still are a part of what is termed "Traditional Apostolic" (That being all the statements of the first post from OP). In saying that, I also believe that there have been many here that have been hurt and wounded...not so much by the devil, but by there own apostolic kinsmen.
I realize that truth is truth regardless, but I also find it important to note that when truth is used violently, and manipulativley, it can sour the whole lump if you will. There are folks on here that have "gotten over" the hurt, but I believe there are others who are still in the ER. I have heard the basic tennants of ACTS 2:38 and have obeyed what I heard preached and taught. I thank God for my experience with Him and my brothers and Sisters. I have also sat in the same place and heard many other messages that were tethered to "truth", and at their core were designed to control not only what goes on in the four walls of the church, but also the four walls of the home. I have seen alot of lines crossed.
I have also seen Holiness "Standards lived to the tee, and the same folks be as gentle and loving as can be -AWESOME! On the other hand I have also seen folks walk it and talk it, and backslide totally. Much good...also much bad. That is life. When people get shaken to their core...they often re-examine the core. sometimes they find themselves remaining the same in beliefs and practices...sometimes they change. At the end of the day..God is still God and the truth is He knows the heart of the individual, it's my job to love people, not sit in the seat of judgement.
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02-17-2011, 08:48 AM
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Re: Survey About Doctrinal Beliefs
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Originally Posted by crakjak
You have an opinion about the "Cons", however the truth is they were as difficult and "mean" as those you accuse. I have debated with them for years and tried to always be kind and respectful, and did make "friendly" with most of them. Because I was not offended by their strong opinions, even when they were mean. I have been where they are and therefore I understand the passion, but when I was honest with myself and studied the scriptures and history, I found that we had never been expose to the "whole" story.
So, if you want to ask questions, just accept folks answers as their opinion and don't get "sensitive", because that just doesn't fly here. We have been where you are, but you likely have not walked in our shoes, nor been were we are.
And BTW, my answers would all be "NO", except for the last one and it would be "YES". Read 1 Tim. 4:10, and you will find a very strong statement of why my answers are as stated.
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Bump for OPII
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02-17-2011, 08:52 AM
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Re: Survey About Doctrinal Beliefs
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1: Do you believe that water baptism must be done in the name of Jesus and that any other baptism is not a valid baptism?
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Yes
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2: Do you believe that the infilling of the Holy Ghost is evidenced only by speaking with other tongues?
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Yes
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3: Do you believe these things are absolutely necessary in order to be saved and ready for heaven?
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Yes
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4: Do you hold as a core value the basics of traditional pentecostal holiness which is: Men: full length pants, shirts with sleeves, short hair, Women: uncut hair, no makeup, no pants, shirts with sleeves?
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No to all but two. Yes to short hair on men and uncut hair on a women.
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5: Do you believe a trinitarian will go to heaven?
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NO
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02-17-2011, 08:55 AM
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Re: Survey About Doctrinal Beliefs
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
Still waiting for who that "hero" is that does not believe in repentance and for the proof
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I think it may be a criticism for those whom the poster does not think CHANGED the way he thought they should change. No change means no repentance. I am just guessing, though.
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02-17-2011, 09:51 AM
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Re: Survey About Doctrinal Beliefs
Ferd was speaking of Adino.
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02-17-2011, 10:45 AM
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Re: Survey About Doctrinal Beliefs
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Originally Posted by houston
Fairy tales was offensive? Should I have sub'd it with "untruths?"
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To call our traditional core values of holiness "fairy tales" is a slap in the face, nothing less.
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02-17-2011, 10:49 AM
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Re: Survey About Doctrinal Beliefs
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Sorry if I came across mean. I did not intend to. It's just that I shriek whenever I see "long hair" changed to "uncut hair." I definitely respect your convictions. Again, sorry...
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I appreciate that. I know that if I say "Long hair", it just opens the can of worms of how long is long and does that mean trimmed, what does shorn mean, and then develops into a discussion the dissects every techinicality. So to save time I wanted it to be clear that I was talking about the core value of a woman not cutting her hair. If I'm doing a bible study or if this is a thread about women's hair, I would go into more detail. It wasn't really about changing thte bible, just trying to be brief and clear at the same time.
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02-17-2011, 10:50 AM
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Re: Survey About Doctrinal Beliefs
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Originally Posted by faithit166
i believe just like you do but as far as number 5, only if they obey acts 2;38 there is no other way god bless
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Thanks, that's two now.
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02-17-2011, 10:53 AM
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Re: Survey About Doctrinal Beliefs
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Originally Posted by crakjak
You have an opinion about the "Cons", however the truth is they were as difficult and "mean" as those you accuse. I have debated with them for years and tried to always be kind and respectful, and did make "friendly" with most of them. Because I was not offended by their strong opinions, even when they were mean. I have been where they are and therefore I understand the passion, but when I was honest with myself and studied the scriptures and history, I found that we had never been expose to the "whole" story.
So, if you want to ask questions, just accept folks answers as their opinion and don't get "sensitive", because that just doesn't fly here. We have been where you are, but you likely have not walked in our shoes, nor been were we are.
And BTW, my answers would all be "NO", except for the last one and it would be "YES". Read 1 Tim. 4:10, and you will find a very strong statement of why my answers are as stated.
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CJ - I am not OPII, but I do agree with much of what you stated about some of the "cons". However, the same applied to many of the "libs". I think it is very easy to become too caught up with our own passion and forget our manners/civility. I am guilty of this myself.
I would say that the tone of the forum changed, 2 or so years ago and personal attacks were ignored, to a great extent.
I believe that the "cons" may have seen that they were taking things too personally and that led to the start of their own forum.
Hey, I just had a thought - AFF is like the UPCI!
We had a split with the "cons"
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now we have had a split with the "libs"!
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