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01-03-2011, 01:27 PM
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Re: I Was Wrong!
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Originally Posted by Hoovie
OK just for you ILG... I'll give you one example of how I have changed my thoughts.
When I first became Pentecostal (switching from conservative Mennonite) I very much bought into Pentecostal mode of prayer and worship. I inwardly scoffed at the idea of "silent prayer" which my family held as sacred and primarily practiced. I figured, one must not only pray out loud, but there was much greater when many worshipers prayed very loud at the same time. Surely the level of fervency spoke to their power and standing with God, I reasoned.
Long story short, I no longer believe this. I actually prefer a more orderly approach where meaningful thought is given to what said. I even practice "silent prayer" very often now.
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I've pretty much gathered that about you over the years, since you enjoy Lutheran services. I don't think there is anything wrong with that at all. I have always prayed both out loud and silently. I heard a some UPC preacher say once that you had to pray out loud. I always thought that was ridiculous, seeing as God knows the thoughts and intents of the heart.
I have shamefully scoffed at the heartfelt prayers and outreaches towards God of many. I just don't want to do that anymore. I have been humbled over the years as well. It is not my decision how people should pray.
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01-03-2011, 01:46 PM
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Re: I Was Wrong!
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Originally Posted by ILG
I've pretty much gathered that about you over the years, since you enjoy Lutheran services. I don't think there is anything wrong with that at all. I have always prayed both out loud and silently. I heard a some UPC preacher say once that you had to pray out loud. I always thought that was ridiculous, seeing as God knows the thoughts and intents of the heart.
I have shamefully scoffed at the heartfelt prayers and outreaches towards God of many. I just don't want to do that anymore. I have been humbled over the years as well. It is not my decision how people should pray.
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Right.
I would not judge in reverse today. It's just that my preference has changed. The honest truth... the loud and noisy type services tend to cause me to disconnect intellectually, and very often make me sleepy. I take responsibility for this, and full well realize if I was flipping myself I would solve the issue.
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Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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01-03-2011, 01:58 PM
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Re: I Was Wrong!
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Though I wasn't raised with silent prayer I find that God speaks to me when I pray silently in a way that never happens in a loud noisy group.
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I think God loves that communion when it's just us and Him. But I think there is a time for collective prayer, also.
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01-03-2011, 02:11 PM
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Re: I Was Wrong!
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I think God loves that communion when it's just us and Him. But I think there is a time for collective prayer, also.
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Amen. I do agree, but at this point I think I question whether collective prayer is necessarily loud or even verbal.
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Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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01-03-2011, 02:13 PM
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Re: I Was Wrong!
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Amen. I do agree, but at this point I think I question whether collective prayer is necessarily loud or even verbal.
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I was not speaking of loud, but aloud, as when we are praying for others together.
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If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
2 Chronicles 7:14 KJV
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
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01-03-2011, 02:17 PM
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Re: I Was Wrong!
Loud or silent, I don't think it matters.
Humble prayer matters.
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01-03-2011, 02:25 PM
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Re: I Was Wrong!
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Originally Posted by Hoovie
Right.
I would not judge in reverse today. It's just that my preference has changed. The honest truth... the loud and noisy type services tend to cause me to disconnect intellectually, and very often make me sleepy. I take responsibility for this, and full well realize if I was flipping myself I would solve the issue.
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Huh?
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01-03-2011, 02:40 PM
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Re: I Was Wrong!
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 Tis true - though I would attribute that more to the "disconnect intellectually". But then I am also the guy that can't sleep at night without listening to a late night talk show... the noise helps me zone out.
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"It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity." Dave Barry 2005
I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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01-03-2011, 02:48 PM
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Re: I Was Wrong!
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Tis true - though I would attribute that more to the "disconnect intellectually". But then I am also the guy that can't sleep at night without listening to a late night talk show... the noise helps me zone out. |
You sound like my son. I want no noise at all. I wear ear plugs. (Not at church. LOL!)
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01-03-2011, 03:03 PM
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Re: I Was Wrong!
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Though I wasn't raised with silent prayer I find that God speaks to me when I pray silently in a way that never happens in a loud noisy group.
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I haven't been a part of a loud prayer meeting where many are praying at once, in many years, and I don't miss it for a second. Where did that ever happen in the bible, anyway?
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