2010 UPCI Resolutions

[Mr. Smith]

Originally Posted by Hoovie

Possibly it just hit me wrong.

Nevertheless, prejudging a not yet revealed, serious and prayerful process with "glee" saying you have no care in hell is just very crummy to me.

Well, having my post called, "Slime" is crummy to me. At least I apologized and tried to further explain.

Hoovie, I don't wanna play the, "You're not a minister" card because it reeks of spiritual superiority and I don't see an "Us" and "Them" mentality between the ministry and the so-called, "Laity."

That being said, if you had any idea HOW MUCH TIME gets poured into denominational politics, the resolutions, "who's in and who's out", who might get that church or this church, the tithing amounts of churches that are "open", the in-fighting that goes on over positioning, the conference wars that create months of politics......you'd understand my glee. I no longer have to invest any time into it and it's wonderful not to have to care about it.

And speaking of resolutions.....until you've had your entire life, your entire existence, your life ripped away from you, lived in poverty, had your reputation torn to shreds, because of one of those resolutions...it'll be hard for you to understand why I, and others, would be gleeful at not having to care about them anymore.

[Michael]

Originally Posted by Mr. Smith

Well, having my post called, "Slime" is crummy to me. At least I apologized and tried to further explain.

Hoovie, I don't wanna play the, "You're not a minister" card because it reeks of spiritual superiority and I don't see an "Us" and "Them" mentality between the ministry and the so-called, "Laity."

That being said, if you had any idea HOW MUCH TIME gets poured into denominational politics, the resolutions, "who's in and who's out", who might get that church or this church, the tithing amounts of churches that are "open", the in-fighting that goes on over positioning, the conference wars that create months of politics......you'd understand my glee. I no longer have to invest any time into it and it's wonderful not to have to care about it.

And speaking of resolutions.....until you've had your entire life, your entire existence, your life ripped away from you, lived in poverty, had your reputation torn to shreds, because of one of those resolutions...it'll be hard for you to understand why I, and others, would be gleeful at not having to care about them anymore.

[Sweet Pea]

Originally Posted by Hoovie

I find these posts offensive personally. Constructive criticism? - bring it on, but please keep the slime to yourself.

Thank you, Hoovie! I also found them offensive.

[Sweet Pea]

Originally Posted by Mr. Smith

And by the way, Steven, since we're talking about offenses, I wasn't crazy about having my post called, "Slime." That seems a bit beneath you.

I thought "slime" was pretty mild.....

JMHO

[Mr. Smith]

Originally Posted by Sweet Pea

Thank you, Hoovie! I also found them offensive.

Like I said, have your life virtually destroyed by a resolution at general conference, and then I'll give your criticism a little more credibility.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Mr. Smith

Can I just say, with a certain amount of glee in my voice, that as of 1993, I don't give a blue hoot in hades about any of their resolutions. It's SO nice not to have to waste a single minute of my life worrying about this.

[Sweet Pea]

Originally Posted by Mr. Smith

Well, having my post called, "Slime" is crummy to me. At least I apologized and tried to further explain.

Hoovie, I don't wanna play the, "You're not a minister" card because it reeks of spiritual superiority and I don't see an "Us" and "Them" mentality between the ministry and the so-called, "Laity."

That being said, if you had any idea HOW MUCH TIME gets poured into denominational politics, the resolutions, "who's in and who's out", who might get that church or this church, the tithing amounts of churches that are "open", the in-fighting that goes on over positioning, the conference wars that create months of politics......you'd understand my glee. I no longer have to invest any time into it and it's wonderful not to have to care about it.

And speaking of resolutions.....until you've had your entire life, your entire existence, your life ripped away from you, lived in poverty, had your reputation torn to shreds, because of one of those resolutions...it'll be hard for you to understand why I, and others, would be gleeful at not having to care about them anymore.

I understand what you are saying here..... there is a lot of politics ........... but that is not limited to the UPC - I think ANY organization has that.

It just seems to me that some of you seem to think that the UPC is the "only" organization with these problems - and believe you me..... it isn't!

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by Sweet Pea

I understand what you are saying here..... there is a lot of politics ........... but that is not limited to the UPC - I think ANY organization has that.

It just seems to me that some of you seem to think that the UPC is the "only" organization with these problems - and believe you me..... it isn't!

True. I am a part of some professional organizations and one is having a serious spat as we speak.

The problematic component is humanity not upcitus.

[Mr. Smith]

Originally Posted by Sweet Pea

I understand what you are saying here..... there is a lot of politics ........... but that is not limited to the UPC - I think ANY organization has that.

It just seems to me that some of you seem to think that the UPC is the "only" organization with these problems - and believe you me..... it isn't!

I didn't say they're the only one. In fact, I've stated here and I often say it to friends, that the UPC does NOT have a monopoly on legalism, politics, or in-fighting. I had a long conversation with Baron the other day in which I said, "The exclusivity outside the UPC is worse than the UPC."

I'm just telling how I feel about being rid of the burden of legalistic, organizational politics. I, personally, have felt the full force of it and it is completely devastating. I do not now, and will never again, belong to a denomination.

[Mr. Smith]

Originally Posted by Hoovie

True. I am a part of some professional organizations and one is having a serious spat as we speak.

The problematic component is humanity not upcitus.

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