When Are We Forgiven?

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by n david

I guess I'd be considered a 3-stepper. I believe in the necessity of repentance, baptism and spirit infilling with evidence of speaking in tongues for salvation.

Forgiveness of sins is at repentance. Remission is at baptism. Salvation comes with the infilling of the HG.

Thank you - maybe PO can answer now.

[iceniez]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

I don't believe you can be filled with the Holy Ghost unless you are a clean vessel - True repentance and baptism. I also do not believe you can make heaven without the Holy Ghost. (Romans 8:9)

The Bible says that you are saved by:

• believing on Jesus Christ - Acts 16:31
• calling on His name - Acts 2:21; Romans 10:13
• by His grace - Acts 15:11; Eph 2:5
• being justified by His blood - Romans 5:9
• reconciled by His death - Romans 5:9
• by hope - Romans 8:24
• that He was raised from the dead - Romans 10:9
• by faith - Eph 2:8
• by his mercy and by the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Ghost - Titus 3:5
• by baptism - Mark 16:16
  

And ultimately by the "love of truth" - II Thess 2:10 "And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved."

We are saved by believing, obeying and having a love of truth. The Gospel message encompasses a whole package. I believe it is erroneous to focus on one element - forgiveness only - concerning the faith and truth of Jesus Christ.

AMEN

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

I don't believe you can be filled with the Holy Ghost unless you are a clean vessel - True repentance and baptism. I also do not believe you can make heaven without the Holy Ghost. (Romans 8:9)

The Bible says that you are saved by:

• believing on Jesus Christ - Acts 16:31
• calling on His name - Acts 2:21; Romans 10:13
• by His grace - Acts 15:11; Eph 2:5
• being justified by His blood - Romans 5:9
• reconciled by His death - Romans 5:9
• by hope - Romans 8:24
• that He was raised from the dead - Romans 10:9
• by faith - Eph 2:8
• by his mercy and by the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Ghost - Titus 3:5
• by baptism - Mark 16:16
  

And ultimately by the "love of truth" - II Thess 2:10 "And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved."

We are saved by believing, obeying and having a love of truth. The Gospel message encompasses a whole package. I believe it is erroneous to focus on one element - forgiveness only - concerning the faith and truth of Jesus Christ.

I think we all understand that, but there is some point that you are forgiven.

You are tying being forgiven to be saved. So, are you inferring that you aren't forgiven until you are saved and fulfilled all three steps?

[n david]

The original question, however, isn't about salvation ... it's simply about when forgiveness occurs.

From the poll, it's unanimous that forgiveness occurs at repentance.

[iceniez]

Originally Posted by n david

The original question, however, isn't about salvation ... it's simply about when forgiveness occurs.

From the poll, it's unanimous that forgiveness occurs at repentance.

Right which is just one part of salvation.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

I think we all understand that, but there is some point that you are forgiven.

You are tying being forgiven to be saved. So, are you inferring that you aren't forgiven until you are saved and fulfilled all three steps?

My point is that forgiveness cannot stand alone. Therefore, I can't answer the poll.

[*AQuietPlace*]

Originally Posted by iceniez

Right which is just one part of salvation.

The question wasn't "When are you saved?"

It was "When are you forgiven?"

[*AQuietPlace*]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

My point is that forgiveness cannot stand alone. Therefore, I can't answer the poll.

This thread is not even remotely about whether or not forgiveness stands alone. That's a separate thread.

It about when forgiveness occurs. Only. Period. Just that. Only one question.

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by *AQuietPlace*

This thread is not even remotely about whether or not forgiveness stands alone. That's a separate thread.

It about when forgiveness occurs. Only. Period. Just that. Only one question.

I give up.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

My point is that forgiveness cannot stand alone. Therefore, I can't answer the poll.

Yes it can. If someone asks forgiveness from you, do you make them go through a laundry list of requirements first? No, they ask and (generally) they're forgiven.

There is no where in the Bible where God requires anything more than repentance in order to receive forgiveness of sins. Not one scripture anywhere remotely offers a suggestion that in order to get forgiveness, one must repent PLUS be baptized PLUS receive the Holy Ghost ... THEN they're forgiven.