LOST???????????????????

[Whole Hearted]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

What would a Jesus Name Pentecostal have to do to become lost????

Fellowshipping Trinitarians is not a problem?

Being a pervert(gay) is not a problem???


Not going to church is not a problem????


Hating preachers is not a problem??????

Abandoning all standards is not a problem????

Lying on the AS is not a problem??????????

The ONLY thing I know that some feel that would cause an Apostolic to be lost is to keep outward standards???????????

WHAT SAY YOU???????????????????????????????

Good Post Elder and soooooooooo true.

[Jack Shephard]

Originally Posted by Whole Hearted

Good Post Elder and soooooooooo true.

you would say that...

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

Originally Posted by JTULLOCK

I am not questioning ONE response. Overkill??? Epley is on overkill here. I am saying you can live like a dog and live a sinful life. That can not be done and be right with God. The fact is that there are man-made standards made out of ma-made opinions. That is what I am talking about. People on here will throw others into hell because their fellowship with trinitarians and such. As long as the message does not change then that is the BIG deal in the BIG picture.

Trinitarians preach the same message as oneness people do. The main difference is what our response is to that Message. They pray a simple prayer and are once saved and always saved. Oneness preaches Acts 2:38. There is a difference here and that is the main difference. Why pick apart people that fellowship with you and trinitarians as if it is us four and no more?

The only thing left to say is-

Get over it.

Either you believe the Acts 2:38 message or not.

[Whole Hearted]

Originally Posted by BoredOutOfMyMind

The only thing left to say is-

Get over it.

Either you believe the Acts 2:38 message or not.

[Actaeon]

Looks as though, for many, the only thing they believe about the Bible is that anyone that believes it is wrong.

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

Ooh! Ooh! I can answer this one.

1. Believe that they can earn their salvation through works.

2. Scatter the flock instead of gather it.

3. Consistently foment a culture of fear in the church.

4. Replace the leading of the Holy Ghost with a long list of rules that supposedly have saving power.

5. Live with a sense of pride in your own professed and supposed "goodness".

Are you thinking of anyone in particular? Or is the generic UPC conservative preacher? You paint with a broad brush. Saints do this as well as preachers.

[Whole Hearted]

Originally Posted by Actaeon

Looks as though, for many, the only thing they believe about the Bible is that anyone that believes it is wrong.

It might be like one person told me, after I gave them chapter and verse, "I don't care what it says I don't believe that way."

[Jack Shephard]

Originally Posted by BoredOutOfMyMind

The only thing left to say is-

Get over it.

Either you believe the Acts 2:38 message or not.

Originally Posted by Whole Hearted

How many times do you have to be told Acts 2:38 is not THE Message it is our response to the Message?

[Nahum]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

Ooh! Ooh! I can answer this one.

1. Believe that they can earn their salvation through works.

2. Scatter the flock instead of gather it.

3. Consistently foment a culture of fear in the church.

4. Replace the leading of the Holy Ghost with a long list of rules that supposedly have saving power.

5. Live with a sense of pride in your own professed and supposed "goodness".

Originally Posted by mizpeh

Are you thinking of anyone in particular? Or is the generic UPC conservative preacher? You paint with a broad brush. Saints do this as well as preachers.

Uhmm, are you conscious? I didn't name anyone in particular.

However, yes, it is normally the freakycon preachers who are trying to keep everyone out of Heaven instead of gathering everyone unto Christ. And yes, church members do it as well. Except that when they do it they are called judgemental. When freakycon preachers do it they are called "holy".

[chaotic_resolve]

Originally Posted by Steadfast

What would a Jesus Name Pentecostal have to do to become lost????

Fellowshipping Trinitarians is not a problem?
Depends on what's meant by "fellowshipping." I don't believe we can't have friends or be friendly to them without constantly bashing them with the Louisville Slugger of Godhead.
FACT: I've seen people laude the great benefits of having some popular false doctrine personality preach at their meeting / Church. Jesus NEVER put up Baal worshipers to preach to the righteous.
Epley didn't mention them preaching in our pulpits - he said fellowshipping. Period. I wouldn't put a Trinitarian in a pulpit to preach the Word, but I do have friends and acquaintances that are Trinitarians. I completely disagree that it's a problem, or that it's unBiblical to fellowship with Trinitarians. Again, it depends what's meant by "fellowshipping."

Being a pervert(gay) is not a problem???
Where'd you get a silly idea like that? Homosexuality is a sin. As is lying, adultery, murder, etc.
FACT: I've seen people on forums - this one included - staunchly defend the perversion of homosexuality under the guise of "You can't just tell them it's wrong. They love God as much as you do" and, yes, I've seen it said on forums that they might be saved if they are living all they know.
Have you seen it on ~this~ forum? I haven't looked, but I'd be surprised if on ~this~ forum you found people who thought it was okay to be homosexual.

Not going to church is not a problem????
You should go to a local church. You should get as involved in a local church as you can. While it won't save you, it will help your walk with God to be around people of like faith. Just don't spend so much time at the church that you forget to evangelize outside of it.
FACT: This was a GOOD reply. However, it's truth that there are those on this forum who think they are saved and pure in the eyes of God who (a) go nowhere to Church and (b) have no Pastor. Plenty of justification for that in their eyes. It just seems contrary to scriptures that tell us to gather together more oft, etc.
Concerning "not forsaking the assembly of yourselves together . . ." again, I believe everyone should be a part of a church (body of Christ; fellowship of believers). Whether or not you'll go to the hot place if you don't attend church, I'm not the judge, no one is - only God is the judge of that. I believe if you're going to church just to simply mark your weekly attendence, that's as bad as not going at all. Everyone should be as active and involved in their local church as possible. If for nothing else than for the chance that you could be one to help someone else who's either lost or in need of help. But if you go to church, you better get involved. Stop sitting on the pew, filling out your timesheet.

Hating preachers is not a problem??????
I don't ~hate~ the preachers . . . I just hate their sins.
FACT: You have to be on another planet if you haven't seen people here who resent and detest the ministry. A hireling would be more to their liking as they would take orders from a pew and not preach biblical absolutes.
I've seen the complaints. I have a few myself, though I won't share them on here. Unfortunately I've seen the worst of the church. The part that we try to hide or ignore. The killing of our wounded and destroying of our weak. I've seen self-righteous pastors stand in the pulpit and outright LIE to the congregation, then walk off and condemn someone to hell for their sins and say there's no forgiveness or repentence for them. The biggest hypocrites in regards to gossip are pastors. "Pastor, you know "so and so" . . . " I still respect the office of the pastor, though not as much as most in the UPC. It's part of the 5-fold ministry, but a lesser part than what we've created it to be. But that's another subject altogether. *grin*

Abandoning all standards is not a problem????
If you mean abandoning non-Biblical, mostly personal standards that most can't seem to agree on anyway (tv, sleeve length, dress shirt colors, rings, watches, jewelry, makeup, pants, etc) . . . no problem. If you mean Biblical standards, then no.
FACT: Yea and verily, have we not seen those who hail as heroes those 'cutting edge' ministries that generally just 'cut' ties with all standards? Granted some get extreme in their perception of right and wrong but the Bible DOES have some guidelines. He's sovereign and that means He makes the rules... not carnal Saints or weak kneed Pastors.
Again, I support Biblical standards that include ~both~ outward dress and inward actions and attitudes.

Lying on the AS is not a problem??????????
The only one's who could be lying on the AS would be ~PREACHERS!~ I'm not a licensed minister, so this doesn't relate to me, nor probably over half of the others here on AFF.
FACT: "If I sign this it says I still believe what they preach. I don't. I'll sign it anyway!" LIARS.
Not sure what the deal is here, I agree that if you sign w/out protest the AS then you should abide by it. Again, this is a problem with preachers . . . which also could explain some of the resentment towards the ministry. People see their pastors sign the card, but own a television, yet preach death, hell and the grave on standards. Careful who you're calling "LIARS," since they're not just peon saints but high and holy pastors and other ministers.

The ONLY thing I know that some feel that would cause an Apostolic to be lost is to keep outward standards???????????
Again, where'd you get a silly idea like that? That's about the dumbest statement I've read on here.
FACT: If you don't believe this just take a stand on any subject. Any subject doing with standards. Come on, now, say you don't believe you can be saved without certain stardards of life. You will be branded a lot of things but, generally, the first one will be a 'judge' and that is usually followed by the whole bile filled pablum of "What gives you a right to judge!" Nevermind that whole 'knowing them by their fruits' stuff. God had an 'off day' when He told them to put that one in the Bible.
I'm sorry, but I had a tough time reading that statement. I'm trying to follow you, but ya lost me. Again, Epley says (paraphrasing) "some of you feel Apostolics are lost if they keep standards." That makes absolutely no sense. I have yet to read a quote by anyone on here that's anywhere close to that line of reasoning. And this "knowing them by their fruits" is being completely twisted, misinterpreted and misapplied. Just like the whole "whether two or three are gathered" scripture is.