These people come here illegally because they want a better life and faced dire circumstances or living conditions in their homeland. As Americans we should endeavor to see to it that they have a fast and non-cumbersome process to become legal.
Christ said,
Matthew 25:43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
Here we have strangers clamoring to find a God given freedom in a nation blessed by God... and Christians advocate rounding them up and shooting them. I shudder to think how Christ will judge their motives.
Many of these immigrants are pregnant... don't you care about their unborn children? Most have never broken any law but immigration law... these are not criminals worthy of death. I guess your "life ethic" goes out the window when it's a class of people who are popular to hate politically.
More on abortion. conservatives oppose abortion.
The fat cat Limosine Liberals don't even pay their illegal house slaves minimum wages.
Hate to bring you into reality, but crime is rising where illegals are living. They are also bringing their gang lifestyles with them, girls included. Jails are full of these people.
Cause and effect relationship. They come here and can't find legal work. They will resort to working under the table (evading paying taxes) or resort to criminal activity. Many who have gotten mixed up in crime did so because they were desperate. Not to mention gangs seek out younger illegals and recruit them with promises of more money and influence than what they can get by merely working under the table.
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Wanting a better life? Then go about it the right way. Thousands of people do this every year. There's no excuse.
The process takes too long and is too expensive for most.
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So what if they are pregnant? Lots of women are pregnant in every country, so? I'm not sure what your point is there, as if it's a terminal illness they are about to die from.
My point is that some here would round these women up and shoot them because they are illegals.
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As for shooting them, I was just kidding with Timmy, but something needs to be done about this problem.
I know you were kidding, when I read it I chuckled, because I know that just isn't you.
But we agree, something has to be done. We have millions of illegals in the United States living under the radar, having to work under the table secretly, and resorting to crime to make a living because they can't do it legally. Unless we enforce some gestapo like movement to forcibly round them up like cattle and remove them by force (consider the cost of such an endeavor) our best bet is to create a fast track to citizenship. This will allow many to become citizens, work legally, and could reduce the allure of a life of crime. Not to mention increase the religious voting base, and bring in more tax revenue.
Cause and effect relationship. They come here and can't find legal work. They will resort to working under the table (evading paying taxes) or resort to criminal activity. Many who have gotten mixed up in crime did so because they were desperate. Not to mention gangs seek out younger illegals and recruit them with promises of more money and influence than what they can get by merely working under the table.
In some cases, I would agree with you, however, I'm not speaking about people stealing food from the store. They are robbing and killing people. I don't buy the excuse for that kind of behavior that 'well your honor, understand that I was desperate and poor'. Nope. I don't buy it. Decent people of any race and color don't resort to such measures with that excuse.
But you are right that illegals are persuaded with promises of a good life (and a lot of times, it's white American men, not just gangs that do this), thus making the problem more so.
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The process takes too long and is too expensive for most.
I disagree. There are lots of poor folks who come to this country legally all the time without a problem. Again, I think that it's possible for some, but not for most.
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I know you were kidding, when I read it I chuckled, because I know that just isn't you.
Thanks. It isn't me, but I like messing around....maybe too much....LOL!
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But we agree, something has to be done. We have millions of illegals in the United States living under the radar, having to work under the table secretly, and resorting to crime to make a living because they can't do it legally. Unless we enforce some gestapo like movement to forcibly round them up like cattle and remove them by force (consider the cost of such an endeavor) our best bet is to create a fast track to citizenship. This will allow many to become citizens, work legally, and could reduce the allure of a life of crime. Not to mention increase the religious voting base, and bring in more tax revenue.
That would be a good idea, but again, except for someone stealing food from a store, I don't buy the 'I used a gun and killed a complete stranger for his shoes because I'm a poor illegal immigrant' excuse for crime. In most cases, you will find that these criminals escaped from Mexico because Mexican jail is WAAAAY worse than American jail! They were criminals there already, and they continue their crime sprees here. I think you'd be looking long and hard to find an illegal immigrant who was an upstanding citizen in their country but turned into a criminal in this country. That makes no sense whatsoever.
As for the cost to 'round them up', I'd gladly pay that then paying for them to reside in jail and prison for months and years, paying for their food, air conditioning, education, and medical care.
However, for those who might be here illegally but want to be upstanding citizens, I'd pay for their education, housing and food while they are in school, and I'd support them for however long it took for them to become productive citizens.
Commit crime, however, and you are out. Just once. Done. Of course, I'd do that for citizens on welfare too, but that's another lazy bunch of people (for the most part, not everyone, but most) to talk about on another day. LOL!
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From a Christian perspective many of these are devout Catholics and Pentecostals. If we put them on the fast track to citizen ship we'd widen the base of values voters. It will reduce crime in some areas because now they would be able to work legally for a living. Those who do work won't face being ripped off because they'd have legal recourse. And those who become citizens and work legally will pay taxes. I see incentive to reform our laws.
The vast majority of immigrants from Mexico vote overwhelmingly Democrat and voted BHO, so it wouldn't enlarge the base.
I don't have a problem with LEGAL immigration. I do have a problem with people jumping the border and coming in illegally.
I worked with ICE for 2 1/2 years (before and after 9/11) ... it is not that difficult to migrate legally to the US. It is a lengthy process, but it's not difficult. The problem is the people are too lazy or impatient to complete the legal process.
I don't doubt the next thing on Obama's agenda, after healthcare is rammed down our throat against our will, is amnesty and open borders. Bush wanted it, I was against it then, I'm against it now. (Repeat ... Bush wanted open borders --- it's a terrible idea that he really promoted because of his close relationship with the Mexican President Fox.) Obama will likely finish what Bush wanted to do ... open the US borders with Canada and Mexico.
I don't agree with a lot of Michael Savage, don't even like listening to him. However, I do agree with his assessment of borders, language, culture. You lose any one of these, you'll eventually lose them all ... and when you lose them all, you've lost the country.
Again, there's a legal process in place ... follow it.
Coadie, I don't doubt you'd shoot a pregnant illegal. Your pro-life facade doesn't impress me.
You are very dishonest in your claim. I have never owned a firearm Actually I will see my uncle in a few weeks that has done missionary work to Mexico for 50 years. We supported him as relatives and not our church.
He has taught a lot of missionaries the Spanish language. We even took a camper down to near his home so our relatives and other people could live free housing when visiting him.
People like yourself don't support missions and so I say bring them here since Americans won't go there. My second cousin ran a 7 bed hospital in Mexico.
I am conservative. We of course oppose abortion and gay marriage. We talk and vote the same way.
The benefit of bringing in illegals comes from the Americans not doing their missions work. They come here.
The vast majority of immigrants from Mexico vote overwhelmingly Democrat and voted BHO, so it wouldn't enlarge the base.
I don't have a problem with LEGAL immigration. I do have a problem with people jumping the border and coming in illegally.
I worked with ICE for 2 1/2 years (before and after 9/11) ... it is not that difficult to migrate legally to the US. It is a lengthy process, but it's not difficult. The problem is the people are too lazy or impatient to complete the legal process.
I don't doubt the next thing on Obama's agenda, after healthcare is rammed down our throat against our will, is amnesty and open borders. Bush wanted it, I was against it then, I'm against it now. (Repeat ... Bush wanted open borders --- it's a terrible idea that he really promoted because of his close relationship with the Mexican President Fox.) Obama will likely finish what Bush wanted to do ... open the US borders with Canada and Mexico.
I don't agree with a lot of Michael Savage, don't even like listening to him. However, I do agree with his assessment of borders, language, culture. You lose any one of these, you'll eventually lose them all ... and when you lose them all, you've lost the country.
Again, there's a legal process in place ... follow it.
I was at a funeral couple weeks ago. My cousins adult son is a special Agent. spends a lot of time in the Non USA part of the Americas. Some people had bought some fantastic Mennonite hand crafted furniture and cut in compartments to carry drugs.
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Re: Your answer to illegal immigration.
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I would like to see a policy where we enforce our laws but make coming to this country easier on families and those who are looking for work. There are many poor people coming here that just want a better life.
I am a conservative, BTW.
I agree that there are those who want to be here to better themselves but they still need to come here legally. I think we are concerned about those who are here for a different reason and that is to destroy this country like BHO and his Cronies.
I agree that there are those who want to be here to better themselves but they still need to come here legally. I think we are concerned about those who are here for a different reason and that is to destroy this country like BHO and his Cronies.
I had 3 immigrants in home bible study. One was a more pantheistic hindu, 2 were masters Degreed. One had 2 engineering degrees and one was a masters. They brought something to America. The one with 2 engineering degrees was a pentecostal from Africa. He could finish an incredible number of bible verses in English from memory.
I have 2 friends that were surgeons in Cuba, I had a horrible time with their version of Spanish. One of them taught me more skill in suturing than any other teacher i ever had. We also took a lot of cuban criminals.
Show me where mowing people down with a machine gun is a christian act? Oh I forgot you are a contrastive and you people are writing your own bible. They write that the two edge sword in Rev is a M16 or AK 57 or even a Bazooka. God help us when a so-called christian want's to shoot people.
Didn't God command some people to be slaughtered one time or another. Even their women and children.
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