Goodbye US Soveriegnty

[coadie]

Kerry, chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee, will be a leader in Senate efforts to place the first domestic curbs on greenhouse gases, after the House approved a measure last week. Even if a Senate bill passes, there may not be enough support to ratify an international accord incorporating the U.S. commitments, the Massachusetts Democrat said in an interview.

A possible Senate rejection poses a threat to the 192- nation effort to forge an agreement, which scientists say can help slow warming that’s raising sea levels and changing rainfall patterns globally.

“We are definitely going to make more progress if there is a strong international agreement that the U.S. is a party to,” said Nigel Purvis, who in the 1990s worked as a U.S. negotiator on the Kyoto climate treaty that the U.S. didn’t ratify. Passing domestic climate-change legislation remains the most crucial step, Purvis said.

Senate ratification of a treaty would require 67 votes, compared with 60 for legislation.


http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...d=aMs9V_EUxE0Y

Folks it is simple. Obama can't go sign the 'treaty"
It takes ratification from 2/3rds of Congress.

It contains laws and language that over rule our laws.

http://unfccc.int/resource/docs/convkp/kpeng.html

Foreign inspectors can come on your property and inspect you

How about that "fugitive" waste or emmisions?
They will have authority to tax and distribute revenues.

Read the document.

Summary. Our sovereignty says we manage emissions, waste etc in our authority and borders. Waiving sovereignty means they can come in here from memeber countries and use foreign authority to over ride our states and local laws.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Twisp

Since it appears that none of you have read the passage in question in the treaty, allow me to part 38 under option 3:

38. The scheme for the new institutional arrangement under the Convention will be based on three
basic pillars: government; facilitative mechanism; and financial mechanism, and the basic organization
of which will include the following:


The scheme for the new INSTITUTIONAL ARRANGEMENT UNDER THE CONVENTION.

It is talking about the politics and setup of the CoP. How it is governed, how it is financed, how it is organized. It says nothing about taking over our government. How much fear do you have to have in your lives to get that out of this? Seriously. Stop with the fear-mongering.

Read the document. Is your google working?

Fear mongering is all that drives this AGW movement.

Are you running from science also?

[Bowas]

Originally Posted by Nitehawk013

I like Dispensationalism. I pepper it with a healthy dose of Open Theology, but overall I like it. I don't think it leads people to have this "God's will will be done no matter what I do" idea. I thinkthat is more apathy and indifference on the part of people who are too shortsighted to see anythign past their own noses. They don't pay attention to anything unless it happens in their house or in their favorite sitcoms.

I would ask to re-visit dispensationalism in light of the scriptures. Is it taught in the Bible, or is it merely a derived man made conclusion?
Where does typical dispensationalism ultimately lead? (answer: No matter what we do, we are destined to fall as a nation).
I am so thankful dispensationalism was not invented when the founders of this nation was making their decisions to break from tyranny otherwise they probably would have had "bible scholars" "proving" the situation they was going through was a sign of the time and there was nothing they could do to change it.

[Digging4Truth]

Originally Posted by coadie

I posted excerpts from the treaty.

koolaid drinkers don't read legislation or treaties.

I will post law telling Obama doesn't have singular authority to enter treaties without the approval of Congress.

That also hasn't been covered on this thread.

And I will show you where the president cannot declare war... congress can.

But that didn't stop Bush did it?

[Twisp]

And I am still waiting to be shown where the treaty says they will govern us.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Twisp

I did. I even perused the treaty, available in PDF form on that site. Please, show me in the treaty where it says any of the things this man is claiming.

Here is an example from my back yard. Coal bed methane

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. some three trillion cubic feet of methane leak into the air every year, with Russia and the United States the leading sources, according to the Environmental Protection Agency’s official estimate. (This amount has the warming power of emissions from over half the coal plants in the United States.)

http://rogerpielkejr.blogspot.com/20...g-in-wind.html

from one of america's most brilliant scientists

http://unfccc.int/resource/docs/convkp/kpeng.html

Defines CH4 as a pollutant (methane)

And I ask coadie Jr. how many tons of Pollution that cranks out

He is a 19 year old university senior in chemistry and math.

He gives me the tonnage.

Roger Pielke Jr tells us the sources of methane

Coal bed seepage, seepage from our garbage pits which by the way have test wells, cow farts, and another set of fugitive waste sites .

Actually millions of tons of methane were burned by "flaring" flares and flames we used to see driving past refineries.

Now we trip to the CCX carbon exchange and see how many dollars to spend on Carbon tonnage

Then we have a tax.

You want me to tell you names of people from Enrron that got this all started?
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Do you want me to name the names that are turning this into a financial market play?


http://www.rollingstone.com/politics...bubble_machine

do you want me to share names from my memory on politicians that did a tour at Goldman Sachs and that know about Carbon trading as the next Economic bubble"?

Now back to sovereignty. some tribesmen can rent a ride and drive around our lands and see opportunites to fine us and cause us to pay carbon "indulgences"

[Ferd]

Originally Posted by Digging4Truth

Brother Ferd... I have run across information of late that would lead me to believe that within 2 years you will believe all of my conspiracy theories because they will have become fully manifest in our lives.

It will be too little... too late... but it will finally become undeniable.

I pray you are wrong. I am not willing to bet you are wrong.

[Digging4Truth]

Originally Posted by Ferd

I pray you are wrong. I am not willing to bet you are wrong.

As with our previous agreement. I welcome being as wrong as possible.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Nitehawk013

I hope when the time comes, and it very well might, that the American people have enough guts to actually take to the streets and take our country back from these theives and liars.

ain't gonna happen.

we voted in this Chicago type government and I doubt if we can ever escape it now.

Is this a treaty that has to be ratified by our legislature before it is legal?
If so, we might be spared if our legislators do not just meekly follow the Obama/Pelosi leadership like sheep.

[jfrog]

I haven't read this whole thread but are me and coadie actually agreeing that the thought of Global Warming is dumb?