Does Dan Seagraves Believe in the LIght Doctrine????

[Sam]

Originally Posted by keith4him

This is what he believes:

We are justified at the point of faith, everyone who is in the bride of Christ has to be baptized in Jesus Name.
...

Justified as in "just as if I'd never sinned"?
Does he teach that sins are forgiven/remitted at justification?
I'm not asking for contention --just curious.

[rrford]

Originally Posted by tv1a

GLU will be the premier bible college in short amount of time. They could use Seagraves' expertise to expidite the progress. IBC has Talmedge French. The other colleges are on life support because they are more of a club than a college. Seagraves would be a great asset to GLU.

Hmm, can you support that for each of the BC's or is this just your edumikated opinion?

[RunningOnFaith]

Originally Posted by keith4him

It means exactly that, you cant be in the bride of Christ, go in the rapture without being baptized in Jesus Name.

According to my understanding justifcation is the believer being declared righteous before God and having the righteouness of Christ imputed to them. Now if Justifcation occurs before Baptism at the point of faith, on what basis would God send someone to hell who had not been baptized, but had yet been imputed the perfect righteousness of Christ?

[Pastor Keith]

Originally Posted by Sam

Those of us who are called "one-steppers" believe Saul was saved/regenerated/justified on the Damascus Road and 3 days later was baptized in the Spirit and in water. This is not written for debate or to take this thread off track, just an explanation for how some Oneness Pentecostals believe.

In my opinion (so that's all this is -an opinion) the "light doctrine" is a way a three-stepper can preach salvation/regeneration as requiring all three steps but can have some wiggle room to say that ALL who have not followed the three steps will go to Hell. This allows martyrs who have given their lives for Jesus, great men of Christian history like Martin Luther and Charles Wesley, etc to get into heaven even though they have not been saved/regenerated by the "three-step" formula.

Bro. Norris taught this at the Apostolic Bible Institute for many years and if it was also taught at Stockton, there must be an awful lot of Oneness preachers who believe it.

I see it as a process, a faith walk, salvation has never been about doing a few things but doing all the things necessary through a relationship with the living God. But is neither a everything or nothing idea.

For example: Mark 16:16, he that believeth and is baptized shall be saved...
so the one who has faith will obey and be baptized.
yet
.... he that believeth not shall be damned.

I've always wondered why Mark didn't include baptize with the damnation part, but then I realized that someone not being baptized will not be the damning thing, but fact that one doesn't believe. Of course the subsequent result of faith (justification) will be the New birth experience.

[Pastor Keith]

Originally Posted by RunningOnFaith

According to my understanding justifcation is the believer being declared righteous before God and having the righteouness of Christ imputed to them. Now if Justifcation occurs before Baptism at the point of faith, on what basis would God send someone to hell who had not been baptized, but had yet been imputed the perfect righteousness of Christ?

I am assuming that you believe that righteousness is imputed at baptism?

I don't believe that, righteousness is imputed at faith. Galatians and Romans both teach that. The believer is declared to be in right standing with God at the moment of faith, of course someone with faith will obey God, but we can't negate what God says about someone who hasn't gone through the complete process.

[tv1a]

I wasn't going to go deep but since you asked...

IBC is smoke and mirrors. ABI hasn't been a major playa for decades. CLC may be the best out of the group, but one gets the feeling something is about to take the college in a different direction. Gateway makes way for the Graduate School... Who knows about Texas. Do they show up on the radar?

There is a place in the Kingdom for these schools. Some suggest the networking itself is worth the tuition.

It would be nice to have a college for people who are called to real life ministries. GLU is the best choice. Ohio Valley University is second best.

Originally Posted by rrford

Hmm, can you support that for each of the BC's or is this just your edumikated opinion?

[rrford]

Originally Posted by tv1a

I wasn't going to go deep but since you asked...

IBC is smoke and mirrors. ABI hasn't been a major playa for decades. CLC may be the best out of the group, but one gets the feeling something is about to take the college in a different direction. Gateway makes way for the Graduate School... Who knows about Texas. Do they show up on the radar?

There is a place in the Kingdom for these schools. Some suggest the networking itself is worth the tuition.

It would be nice to have a college for people who are called to real life ministries. GLU is the best choice. Ohio Valley University is second best.

Thanks for the response. Many times folks relpy to these types of things without relaizing the intent of a Bible College and what it is attemoting to do on limited budgets, etc.

I do know that some of your assessment is correct. CLC is the one that seems to have disappeared from the radar to me. I suppose that has alot to do with our own geography in relation to the school under disussion.

Interestingly enough, TBC's enrollment is continuing to make small increases after it's relocation to the District facilities in Lufkin. The 20 year plan for the District includes some progressive development for the BC. Last years move to full-time staffing has helped. They finished in the black last year (basically unheard of for a UPCI Bible College) and are projected to do so this year also.

Originally Posted by Thad

Gee thanks for the compliment whoever you are

Ah Thad..Im sorry. Gotta give you a hard time cause your delight used to be giving everybody a hard time. Just teasing ya..Maybe my tease was in bad taste since you are trying to mend your ways.

[Pastor Keith]

Originally Posted by rrford

Thanks for the response. Many times folks relpy to these types of things without relaizing the intent of a Bible College and what it is attemoting to do on limited budgets, etc.

I do know that some of your assessment is correct. CLC is the one that seems to have disappeared from the radar to me. I suppose that has alot to do with our own geography in relation to the school under disussion.

Interestingly enough, TBC's enrollment is continuing to make small increases after it's relocation to the District facilities in Lufkin. The 20 year plan for the District includes some progressive development for the BC. Last years move to full-time staffing has helped. They finished in the black last year (basically unheard of for a UPCI Bible College) and are projected to do so this year also.

For right now CLC is strong, 165 in student body population, they are moving towards accreditation. Not sure what the future now the Dr. Segraves is leaving but they have not fallen off the Radar.

I think in the near future though that the Bible College Model will go by the wayside and the UPCI will be forced to move towards the Liberal Arts or Regent College Model.

[Whole Hearted]

Originally Posted by rrford

Thanks for the response. Many times folks relpy to these types of things without relaizing the intent of a Bible College and what it is attemoting to do on limited budgets, etc.

I do know that some of your assessment is correct. CLC is the one that seems to have disappeared from the radar to me. I suppose that has alot to do with our own geography in relation to the school under disussion.

Interestingly enough, TBC's enrollment is continuing to make small increases after it's relocation to the District facilities in Lufkin. The 20 year plan for the District includes some progressive development for the BC. Last years move to full-time staffing has helped. They finished in the black last year (basically unheard of for a UPCI Bible College) and are projected to do so this year also.

I believe that TBC is the up and coming bible college.