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Old 08-02-2008, 03:24 PM
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Re: Tongues and Interpretation T&T

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Here is Psalm 32 from The Living Bible (TLB)

1 What happiness for those whose guilt has been forgiven! What joys when sins are covered over! What relief for those who have confessed their sins and God has cleared their record! There was a time when I wouldn’t admit what a sinner I was. But my dishonesty made me miserable and filled my days with frustration. 4 All day and all night your hand was heavy upon me. My strength evaporated like water on a sunny day 5 until I finally admitted all my sins to you and stopped trying to hide them. I said to myself, “I will confess them to the Lord.” And you forgave me! All my guilt is gone. 6 Now I say that each believer should confess his sins to God when he is aware of them, while there is time to be forgiven. Judgment will not touch him if he does.
7 You are my hiding place from every storm of life; you even keep me from getting into trouble! You surround me with songs of victory.
8 “I will instruct you (says the Lord) and guide you along the best pathway for your life; I will advise you and watch your progress.
9 Do not be like a senseless horse or mule that has to have a bit in its mouth to keep it in line!
10 Many sorrows come to the wicked, but abiding love surrounds those who trust in the Lord.
11 So rejoice in him, all those who are his, and shout for joy, all those who try to obey him.
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1 Blessed is he whose transgression is forgiven, whose sin is covered.
2 Blessed is the man unto whom the LORD imputeth not iniquity, and in whose spirit there is no guile.
3 When I kept silence, my bones waxed old through my roaring all the day long.
4 For day and night thy hand was heavy upon me: my moisture is turned into the drought of summer. Selah.
5 I acknowledge my sin unto thee, and mine iniquity have I not hid. I said, I will confess my transgressions unto the LORD; and thou forgavest the iniquity of my sin. Selah.
6 For this shall every one that is godly pray unto thee in a time when thou mayest be found: surely in the floods of great waters they shall not come nigh unto him.
7 Thou art my hiding place; thou shalt preserve me from trouble; thou shalt compass me about with songs of deliverance. Selah.
8 I will instruct thee and teach thee in the way which thou shalt go: I will guide thee with mine eye.
9 Be ye not as the horse, or as the mule, which have no understanding: whose mouth must be held in with bit and bridle, lest they come near unto thee.
10Many sorrows shall be to the wicked: but he that trusteth in the LORD, mercy shall compass him about.
11Be glad in the LORD, and rejoice, ye righteous: and shout for joy, all ye that are upright in heart.

Or compare that with the Klingon Version:

1 ghurtaH ghaH ghaH 'Iv disobedience ghaH forgiven, 'Iv yem ghaH covered. 1
2 ghurtaH ghaH the loD Daq 'Iv joH'a' ta'be' impute He'taHghach, Daq 'Iv qa' pa' ghaH ghobe' deceit. 2
3 ghorgh jIH polta' tammoH, wIj HomDu' wasted DoH vegh wIj groaning Hoch jaj tIq. 3
4 vaD jaj je ram lIj ghop ghaHta' 'ugh Daq jIH. wIj HoS ghaHta' sapped Daq the heat vo' summer. Selah. 4
5 jIH acknowledged wIj yem Daq SoH. jIH ta'be' So' wIj He'taHghach. jIH ja'ta', jIH DichDaq confess wIj transgressions Daq joH'a', je SoH forgave the He'taHghach vo' wIj yem. Selah. 5
6 vaD vam, chaw' Hoch 'Iv ghaH godly tlhob Daq SoH Daq a poH ghorgh SoH may taH tu'ta'. DIch ghorgh the Dun bIQmey overflow, chaH DIchDaq ghobe' reach Daq ghaH. 6
7 SoH 'oH wIj hiding Daq. SoH DichDaq pol jIH vo' Seng. SoH DichDaq surround jIH tlhej bommey vo' deliverance. Selah. 7
8 jIH DichDaq instruct SoH je ghojmoH SoH Daq the way nuq SoH DIchDaq jaH. jIH DichDaq qeS SoH tlhej wIj mIn Daq SoH. 8
9 yImev taH rur the horse, joq rur the mule, nuq ghaj ghobe' yajtaHghach, 'Iv 'oH controlled Sum chopta' je bridle, joq else chaH DichDaq ghobe' ghoS Sum Daq SoH. 9
10 law' QoSqu'ghachmey ghoS Daq the mIgh, 'ach muSHa'taH pung DIchDaq surround ghaH 'Iv trusts Daq joH'a'. 10
11 taH Quchqu' Daq joH'a', je yItIv, SoH QaQtaHghach! jach vaD Quch, Hoch SoH 'Iv 'oH upright Daq tIq!
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Old 08-02-2008, 03:30 PM
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Re: Tongues and Interpretation T&T

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Some of us were taught that tongues and interpretation were God speaking directly to His people... if it is filtered through the brain of someone to the point that their perceptions are evident in the language that they use to deliver the message, I would say that the message is tainted and most definitely not a DIRECT message from God... but more like a note scribbled on the refrigerator door and someone tells someone else over the phone what the note said...
Notice: It is "interpretation", not "translation".
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Old 08-02-2008, 03:32 PM
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Bro. CC1,

I guarantee you that it isn't any worse than some of the folks from LA or TN giving interpretations in the way that folks from LA or TN really DO speak! In fact it may be more accurate and easily understood in the KJ English!
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Old 08-02-2008, 03:42 PM
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Re: Tongues and Interpretation T&T

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Notice: It is "interpretation", not "translation".
Right.

I've been taught that there are only nine gifts of the Spirit (those listed in the first part of 1 Cor. chapter 12) and that all of them with the exception of tongues and interpretation can be found in the Old Testament.

An example of "interpretation" instead of "translation" can be found in Daniel 5:25-28 where the "message" was:
mene, mene
tekel
upharsin

A "translation" would be
count, count
weight
division

The "interpretation" as given by Daniel was
God has numbered your kingdom, and finished it
You have been weighed in the balances, and found wanting
Your kingdom has been divided, and given to the Medes and Persians.

This has a couple elements of messages in tongues and interpretation:
repetition of a word (or words)
message and interpretation not the same length or number of words
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Right.

I've been taught that there are only nine gifts of the Spirit (those listed in the first part of 1 Cor. chapter 12) and that all of them with the exception of tongues and interpretation can be found in the Old Testament.

An example of "interpretation" instead of "translation" can be found in Daniel 5:25-28 where the "message" was:
mene, mene
tekel
upharsin

A "translation" would be
count, count
weight
division

The "interpretation" as given by Daniel was
God has numbered your kingdom, and finished it
You have been weighed in the balances, and found wanting
Your kingdom has been divided, and given to the Medes and Persians.

This has a couple elements of messages in tongues and interpretation:
repetition of a word (or words)
message and interpretation not the same length or number of words
Very good.
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