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Old 03-14-2008, 06:13 PM
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Re: A Muslim "standard" causes contrvesy

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Don't know about "many reports" But for what's it worth when I was on the gang task force in Victoria it was discovered that many of the prison gangs (La Raza Unida, Mexican Mafia, Los Pistoleros etc) were switching from running drugs across the border to running people. Bigger profit margin, lesser penalty if caught. And yes they did smuggle across middle easterners (usually charging in the low six figures) no questions asked.
Of course, since the per capita income in most Middle Eastern countries is relatively low, it makes you wonder where the funding is coming from, for these people to be making six-figure payments to be smuggled into this country. (terrorist groups?)

Indeed there have been many reports, and many words written about this phenomenon (moreso on the internet and the blogosphere than in the mainstream media).

The government even came up with an official term -OTM, ("Other Than Mexicans") for those caught at the US/Mexican border who are not Mexicans but are from other parts of the world... and many of these are from the Middle East and various Muslim countries.

A quick google search shows that the issue of Middle Eastern OTM's is fairly well known. Dont hold your breath waiting for Cnn, Foxnews, & company to say much about it though.
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Old 03-14-2008, 06:32 PM
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I figure you to be somewhat a "middle of the road" kind of guy in most of these discussions. I guess I just didn't see Freeatlast's comment in the same light as others.

I've seen Ultra-Orthodox Jews do things in the water comprable to an ultra-con Pentecostal wearing jeans while water skiing. Muslim girls (adolescent and up) often can be seen even more covered up than our girls wearing jean skirts in the pool.

I guess the question some people would have is: "Do we really want to have that much in common with the Ultra-Orthodox Jews and Muslims?"
I would not ask that question. By NOT having those standards we can be comparable to any other group that we might see unfavorably. That is why those kinds of comparisons for the same of argument are logical fallacies. I see people make them all the time.
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I wonder what type of clothing men worked in, in Bible days, or fished in for that matter, and I wonder if God was embarrassed by their choices? Or if He even cares one way or the other what I wear to fish in? Goodness, I've been known to go in old rubber boots, my Dad's fishing hat, and my husband's oversized jacket. No fashion plate, but quite practical. Why should I care what other people think I look like, when I'm handling fish and worms and have dirt under my fingernails, and cricket guts everywhere?

I've never had God tell me I looked stupid.
Peter was "naked"....the greek wrestlers were stark naked. Many atheletes were stark naked (when performing that is)...Im not sure Peter was stark naked but he was not modestly clothed obviously
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Re: A Muslim "standard" causes contrvesy

[quote=COOPER;412422]Mean while back to the thread..........

Americans are accommodating the Muslim religion...while they are taking Prayer, Jesus, Christmas, Ten commandments, etc... out of Schools and court rooms.

I've been saying that way back on NFCF
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