CeCe Winans under fire for singing at Gay church

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by Rhoni

Let's see: We began by judging the homeosexuals, to CeCe Winanas, to judging where and who people minister to. Can we think of anyone else we'd like to judge before we rule and reign with Christ in the New Jerusalem?

Oh brother. Now we're "judging".
*sigh* So now we cant speak against anymore, because we'll be accused of judging.

I had a feeling that that was coming....it would only be a matter of time.

[chosenbyone]

Originally Posted by ReformedDave

These people that she'll be singing to have no need for repentance........in their own minds and I'll bet she doesn't call them to it.

How did you know that the people would have no need for repentance "in their own minds"? How did you know that she wouldn't call them to it? How would anyone know what the Lord would have purposed for anyone attending the concert?

There could be someone in attendance who would be hungry for salvation/deliverace that only comes from Jesus. I am so thankful that Jesus died for everyone and his grace and mercies were extended to everyone whether they attending a gay church concert or an Apostolic Sunday night service.

I will not judge anyone who reaches out to any segment of our society if they present hope and truth to a lost and dying world.

[MissBrattified]

Is there a difference between singing to sinners, and singing in a church that endorses sin?

[chosenbyone]

Originally Posted by Mrs. LPW

Indeed... I hope this happens. I won't say it can't but the liklihood is slim. These are not just any sinners. These are people who preach God accepts the sin... that it is not a sin at all.

We are living in a world where some sin has been widely accepted.. and because of this there are those of Christian "faith" who have been conditioned to believe the same as the world. We're all afraid of being called biggots or labled intolerant for our stance. We're bombarded daily by these thoughts...
How can love be wrong?

If this were a church who believed you can be a Christian and murder, or lie, we wouldn't be having this conversation. We'd all be on the same page.

First let me mention that I have appreciated your sincerity on this thread. I would agree that our society has been too leniant on sin, which only robbed people from experiencing true freedom in Christ Jesus. With that said, I don't feel like we should be apprehensive with evangelizing the gay/lesbian community by showing them the love of Christ. A person would not be considered a bigot or labled intolerant if they approached the sinner with love and wisdom. What examples of grace could the homosexual be afforded when they have been shown disgust, hatred and fear?

The reason why there haven't been more homosexuals saved and delivered in our churches was because people have been unable or unwilling to rise above their own prejudices against them. We have countless examples of drunkards, drug addicts, thieves, prostitutes and so on that were delivered and restored because those sins didn't have the stigma associated with homosexuality.

[James Griffin]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

You know, this is just a dumb question if you think about it.

How do you reach the lost?

With all due respect Renda, THAT was a dumb question. Don't you know the lost should have the decency to clean up their act BEFORE we can fellowship with them!!! Don't want none of that the sin stuff rubbin' off.

[chosenbyone]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

Is there a difference between singing to sinners, and singing in a church that endorses sin?

Wouldn't the church that endorses sin have sinners in attendance?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by PastorD

I was with CeCe just a few days ago.....sat with her, ate with her, prayed with her. Wow, she has an awesome anointing on her life.

When she sings Alabaster Box.....it is over!

I have to side against CeCe here. I think this is a huge mistake and I think perhaps she is a little clueless...as anointed as she is and as awesome her songs are. I wonder if she has or submits to spiritual guidance from a Pastor and if that Pastor is warning her about this? She has sung with industry big names like Whitney and you know in that industry there is no rule or morality...homosexuality is approved of.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

You know, this is just a dumb question if you think about it.

How do you reach the lost?

Read the article again. These are not just sinners that need to hear the gospel. These are homosexuals that have heard it, claim to be Christian, and reject the bible on it's condemnation of Homosexuality. She is not going there to preach a message about how they need to come out of that sin and be saved. She is going ot sing gospel songs.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by chosenbyone

CeCe is a Holy Ghost filled woman and who are we to question where the Lord would have her minister?

Remember, homosexuality is NOT the main issue! Often, the life of the homosexual is filled with a lot of brokenness, shame by those in the church, being rejected over and over and over; one who often doesn't measure up to everyone else; one who is is either frustrated because he/she doesnt like the fact that they are attracted to the same sex or; one who embraces the attraction and searches for Mr. or Mrs. Right, (of the same sex) and is let down time and time again, feeling more rejection, abuse and loneliness. They are really in search of LOVE - in the true sense!

Are we not compelled as Christians to accept them, embrace them and not be afraid to come alongside and help them figure life out? Too often, the church looks at the outside of the person with disgust and they dont take time to look at the heart and show them the love of Christ!

I fear that many will have to give an account to God one day because of the way they treat his children.

First of all you are assuming she was led by the Spirit to do this. Being holy ghost filled does not ensure someone does not make mistakes and this is a mistake and she needs to listen to what others are saying.

Second these are Homosexuals that have probably HEARD what you just said here and rejected it. They believe they ARE saved Homosexuals. Unless she is going there to preach and teach that they need to come OUT of that lifestyle then the kind of ministering we are talking about is not the kind they need and ends up just giving a seal of approval on this kind of church and that kind of lifestyle.

Anyone thing she will stand up and say "I came here to minister to you but before anyone thinks I approve of the gay lifestyle I do not. It still is an abomination"

These gay affirming churches are GROWING. They are not emptying out and gays becoming straight. Rather it's the other way around. Gays who become Christians are being deceived into believing God is ok with them being in a homosexual relationship

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by chosenbyone

Would you agree that it would be worth CeCe to walk in a dangerous place if one could be saved from damnation? There is no way that you or I could know why this door has been opened for her to go and sing. How could we make such a judgement call of the leading of the Lord?

This is not judgement. It's spiritual discernment. It's BIBLE. These churches have been inviting other big names and getting them and rather than the gays being healed of that sin and repenting those churches are filling with more gays who are told they can have sex with someone of the same sex and God is fine with it.

Darkness is creeping in in these last days and it really is shocking to see so many Christians blind to it