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02-05-2008, 11:21 AM
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A Prince of the Gospel!
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Re: Can any WPF'rs explain:
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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover
OPC, One quick question...
If one can "pull" the exact same program on the internet that is "pushed" on TV, would it stand to reason, then, that the content should be forbidden? Or do you make the case that C-span is acceptable on the internet but should be avoided on TV?
If both of the medias have overlapping content, is it then not a question of content rather then conduit?
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SH...I have just a very simple question of the WPF apologists/supporters...
Does the WPF recognize/know...
...that fire has been discovered??? and that...
...the wheel has been invented???
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02-05-2008, 11:56 AM
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Re: Can any WPF'rs explain:
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Originally Posted by R.D. Foster
The problem still remains that men sign every year stating they are against TV. The UPCI is very plain in their statement and all know what it means when they sign. The UPCI has also adopted a position on computers and the internet with which the WPF'ers agree. Why should we castigate this small group that are following their convictions by thinking that TV is still the greater force of evil in our society. Social scientists even agree with their position.
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Are you guys avoiding direct answers? Why?
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02-05-2008, 05:33 PM
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Supercalifragilisticexpiali...
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Re: Can any WPF'rs explain:
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Originally Posted by R.D. Foster
The problem still remains that men sign every year stating they are against TV. The UPCI is very plain in their statement and all know what it means when they sign. The UPCI has also adopted a position on computers and the internet with which the WPF'ers agree. Why should we castigate this small group that are following their convictions by thinking that TV is still the greater force of evil in our society. Social scientists even agree with their position.
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No one is avoiding... it's just that this is old material.
You say "all know" the meaning... well maybe they don't. Perhaps even you are liberal by some standards...
What really does it mean to be "against TV"??
We could interrogate you... Have you ever watched TV? Have you ever watched a show designed for TV? Have you ever seen a naked elbow on TV? On the internet? Have you repented?
Sorry - you failed.
If the INTENT of the writers is clear to you, please enlighten us with a clear line.
Is Old Yeller and the Three Stooges forbidden?
At some point we just say here are some guidelines and trust the leading of the Spirit to fill in the gaps.
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Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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02-05-2008, 06:09 PM
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Go Dodgers!
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Re: Can any WPF'rs explain:
They preach against video too and since that is the case against video devices like VCRs and DVD players...how many computers made in the last couple years CAN'T play video? they have CD players and DVD playes plus software to watch...not to mention streaming video
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Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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02-05-2008, 06:59 PM
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Re: Can any WPF'rs explain:
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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover
No one is avoiding... it's just that this is old material.
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You say "all know" the meaning... well maybe they don't
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. Perhaps even you are liberal by some standards...
What really does it mean to be "against TV"??
We could interagate you... Have you ever watched TV? Have you ever watched a show designed for TV? Have you ever seen a naked elbow on TV? On the internet? Have you repented?
Sorry - you failed.
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If the INTENT of the writers is clear to you, please enlighten us with a clear line.
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Is Old Yeller and the Three Stooges forbidden?
At some point we just say here are some guidelines a trust the leading of the Spirit to fill in the gaps. |
Are you serious? Post #31 is directly from the manual of the UPC. It's not a question of whether you or I are liberal. The thread asked for an explanation. There it is. How much clearer can it get than saying 'we disaprove of our people owning televisions." It's like Duh!!!! We can discuss whether it needs to be changed but to say it is open to interpretation is rather immature.
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02-05-2008, 07:28 PM
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Da Evangelist
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Re: Can any WPF'rs explain:
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Originally Posted by R.D. Foster
Are you serious? Post #31 is directly from the manual of the UPC. It's not a question of whether you or I are liberal. The thread asked for an explanation. There it is. How much clearer can it get than saying 'we disaprove of our people owning televisions." It's like Duh!!!! We can discuss whether it needs to be changed but to say it is open to interpretation is rather immature.
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Then someone that is in the UPCI needs to write a resolution and change that part of the manuel.
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02-05-2008, 07:45 PM
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Supercalifragilisticexpiali...
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Re: Can any WPF'rs explain:
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Originally Posted by R.D. Foster
Are you serious? Post #31 is directly from the manual of the UPC. It's not a question of whether you or I are liberal. The thread asked for an explanation. There it is. How much clearer can it get than saying 'we disaprove of our people owning televisions." It's like Duh!!!! We can discuss whether it needs to be changed but to say it is open to interpretation is rather immature.
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Ok then post 31...
"We disaprove of our people owning televisions"
You seem to be saying some do own them. This is clearly not open to interpretation you say... but I think it is.
1. So...the ownership is regarding who? Not the spouse, or a rental agency or other family member etc. but "our people".
2. If any and all "TV" and worse is available on your PC, does your PC then become a "TV" in this case??
In both cases, I agree, they are currently somewhat of "loopholes" in the "rule book" and a change in wording is forthcoming.
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"It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity." Dave Barry 2005
I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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02-05-2008, 09:56 PM
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Go Dodgers!
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Re: Can any WPF'rs explain:
If the UPC is a Ministers Fellowship then let THEM obey the AOF...but saying "disapprove" of something does not sound like an absolute restriction
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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02-05-2008, 10:14 PM
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www.capitalcommunity.ca
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Re: Can any WPF'rs explain:
I don't even read the manuals for my video iPod, Slingbox, or Tivo, I figure them out for myself!!!!
I do read God's manual and that keeps me in check with what is right or wrong. Some dude from 1930 ain't gonna tell me what is right or wrong today...but I'll listen to what was written thousands of years ago about what goes into my heart
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02-05-2008, 10:18 PM
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Re: Can any WPF'rs explain:
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Originally Posted by R.D. Foster
The problem still remains that men sign every year stating they are against TV. The UPCI is very plain in their statement and all know what it means when they sign. The UPCI has also adopted a position on computers and the internet with which the WPF'ers agree. Why should we castigate this small group that are following their convictions by thinking that TV is still the greater force of evil in our society. Social scientists even agree with their position.
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People are free to associate with who ever they wish. The "WwPF'ers" are likewise free to come and go and have the associations that they choose.
I'd be interested in any study that you've seen where "Social Scientists" "agree" that televison is morally worse than the Internet. They generally shun the idea of morals. I don't think you could even find a study that says television is a "force for evil" at all.
As far as people not answering this "question" (you bring that up in your next post), try putting a question mark after the question.
The only real problem I have with the WwPF is the way they went about their recruiting and then the follow up defensive actions they took. I am also a little disappointed that they haven't really been able to garner more support from the "conservatives" and "ultra-cons" out there. I wanted to see a nice clean "break," so to speak, right down ideological lines. That would have been best for everyone.
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