Pentecostal Soundmen

[Monkeyman]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

Monkeyman, dear, let me educate you: Exposure and publicity and public performances do not the "best" bass player make. Some of the best musicians in Pentecost are also the best kept secrets.

Larry Carter was one of the BEST guitar players in Pentecost back when he was basically undiscovered. I remember the first year he played at IBC Music Fest. It was total snobbery at first, while the little country boy took the stage. But LC had been playing for local churches and recordings for years before he was *discovered* by the UPCI music culture.

Obviously Tommy Brown is realllllllly good. I agree with you on that.

You're funny, lol. Of course I didn't say because of his noteriety he was better, I addressed your, "Tommy Who" comment, explaining who the "who" was.

So...in apostolic musician circles it is well known about TB skills as a bass player. Of course there are many unknowns, I have one here at my church.

J.O., as Phil stated is one of the best...but he is known for his band leadership, co-ordinating, and his "in-the-pocket" style.
Tommy is a maestro, from backing, recordiing, LIVE, and advanced technical skills. Trust me, no one gets into Bass player Magazine by being average. Alembic bass company doesn't endore everyone. If you ask the Tobias players out there, (I am one), they will tell you to a person of Tommy's legend. I will leave it at that...from Fred Hammond to Joel Smith to Andre Gauche, they will tell you he is da man in OUR circles. If I have to explain "who" they are...then lets just drop it, he he!!!!

Here is a quote ftom your Larry Carter..."Tommy Brown is above most bass players" check it out at www.TommyBrownproductions.com

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by Monkeyman

You're funny, lol. Of course I didn't say because of his noteriety he was better, I addressed your, "Tommy Who" comment, explaining who the "who" was.

So...in apostolic musician circles it is well known about TB skills as a bass player. Of course there are many unknowns, I have one here at my church.

J.O., as Phil stated is one of the best...but he is known for his band leadership, co-ordinating, and his "in-the-pocket" style.
Tommy is a maestro, from backing, recordiing, LIVE, and advanced technical skills. Trust me, no one gets into Bass player Magazine by being average. Alembic bass company doesn't endore everyone. If you ask the Tobias players out there, (I am one), they will tell you to a person of Tommy's legend. I will leave it at that...from Fred Hammond to Joel Smith to Andre Gauche, they will tell you he is da man in OUR circles. If I have to explain "who" they are...then lets just drop it, he he!!!!

I believe you. Promise. Cross my heart.

[Pastor G]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

Nope. Sorry. BHill is it.

Tommy

who?

B. Hill is very good.. I have played drums with him on many occasions.. He is as solid as a rock.. Tommy Brown is also very good, never had the opportunity to play with him but have heard him several times..

[Monkeyman]

Originally Posted by Pastor G

B. Hill is very good.. I have played drums with him on many occasions.. He is as solid as a rock.. Tommy Brown is also very good, never had the opportunity to play with him but have heard him several times..

I would love to hear him...solid is a rare breed now days. Cats try to show all they know in one song...and can become full of themselves too. This guy sounds like he is a good dude!

My cuz plays drums with TB every week...loves it!

[IBCrazier2]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

Class? Dunno about that...Jeff loves bluegrass. (And I have a not-so-secret affinity for Allison Krauss) Is that really classy?

As for soundmen: Good soundmen know their job and do it well, AND they need to know how to work with, not against, singers and musicians. Most singers simply want to be heard, and to hear themselves. It isn't narcissism--it's a necessity, or you'll go flat, and the audience will hear muddled lyrics under the din of music. When I sing, I feel that it is for the purpose of putting forth a message of some sort, even a sermon, and I want it to be heard, or else why should I even sing? (Obviously outside of singing with the congregation or singing directly to God, which everyone should do! In the shower is a great place to let the music SOAR!)

I do recognize that things can get out of hand, and get reallllllly loud, if not kept in check, but everyone really has to work on that, and the sound man is hurting everyone and the church service if his frustrated response is to indecorously turn everything down to a whisper.

Additionally, some people are put in charge of sound who don't really know the job, but they're just the one available on Sunday morning. *sigh* Even worse, some seem to enjoy their "power" over the musicians and singers, and seem to take pleasure in causing frustration, and spend way too much time complaining about busted eardrums, when in fact a *hot* mic insures I will NOT scream my lyrics, but will sing them instead.

Okay. I've vented enough, even though I sure enough have more to say.

LOL .... you have some very valid points, but you have to allow for some validity on the other side of things as well.

I probably will spend some time in purgatory over the results of spending time in a soundroom

Of being in the soundbooth for several years, I don't recall ever telling a musician how to do their job. But can remember very few times remember not being told how to do mine.

It is funny how I had a musician/choir director who would move the choir mic everytime they got on the platform. Makes you wonder that if you can't hear the altos in the choir when you are standing within 7 feet of them if you are doing your job in co-ordinating a group of singers. ** just for the record~moving a condenser(choir) mic 6-12 inches really doesn't pick up any extra**.

In our church we tried 6 different monitors for the keyboardist, and none could be heard. Finally pastor said turn it up and don't worry about the rest of the church. The Musician then started turning the moniter facing a different direction saying it hurt her ears when it was facing her ... lol ... and then complained because she couldn't hear it because it was facing someplace else.

Can't we just all get along!!

I for one have ran the sound 90% of the time as my "ministry", and viewed it as one of the 3 important factors of a service .... yes we need preaching, yes we need music and singing, but we need to be able to hear clearly the preaching and music. Yes it is possible for a soundman/woman to ruin a service and affect everyone! But it is possible for them to make the service sound smooth and clear.

I think every knows that people are put in this position that don't even need to adjust the radio. When will churches and pastors realize that there are classes and books and training that can happen. My pastor has asked multiple times for me to train someone to be a replacement ... everyone that I suggested could not be in the soundroom because they were "worshippers" and needed to be in the service. I agree, but also the people that are not worshippers could care less about giving their all to make the service sound good.

[dizzyde]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

Class? Dunno about that...Jeff loves bluegrass. (And I have a not-so-secret affinity for Allison Krauss) Is that really classy?

Definitely!! You just went up a step in my estimation at least! If that means anything!! LOL!

[dizzyde]

Originally Posted by RevBuddy

Truisms:

Musicians are deaf...they always want the maximum monitor
Speakers are not deaf...but are making us deaf with the extreme sound level
Soundmen are always deaf...to suggestions, to signals from the platform, etc.

As "the poor ye shall have with you always," so it is with "the poor sound ye shall have with you always."

Originally Posted by IBCrazier2

Can't we just all get along!!

I for one have ran the sound 90% of the time as my "ministry", and viewed it as one of the 3 important factors of a service .... yes we need preaching, yes we need music and singing, but we need to be able to hear clearly the preaching and music. Yes it is possible for a soundman/woman to ruin a service and affect everyone! But it is possible for them to make the service sound smooth and clear.

These are my issues, I completely realize that the job of a soundman is completely thankless, however, why is it that this job tends to attract people with control issues?

Ultimately, a lot of the time, the final say in how the music is recieved or the message is heard in a church service is in the sound guys hands. (Outside of God, of course)

It does not matter how long the music dept. has practiced, how much time has been invested in preparing for a service, if a sound guy is not cooperating, it can all be ruined. And I see them not cooperating, a LOT!

Even if they are really good, if they are on a power trip, it is a shame. I was in the media booth one service when the pastor was trying to communicate with one of sound guys at our church via the phone from the platform, and overheard him telling another guy, "yeah that's why I don't pick up the phone when they call back here"! That kind of attitude is just horrible.

[BHILL]

Originally Posted by Pastor G

B. Hill is very good.. I have played drums with him on many occasions.. He is as solid as a rock.. Tommy Brown is also very good, never had the opportunity to play with him but have heard him several times..

WHO ARE YOU ??? PM please

[BHILL]

Originally Posted by Monkeyman

You're funny, lol. Of course I didn't say because of his noteriety he was better, I addressed your, "Tommy Who" comment, explaining who the "who" was.

So...in apostolic musician circles it is well known about TB skills as a bass player. Of course there are many unknowns, I have one here at my church.

J.O., as Phil stated is one of the best...but he is known for his band leadership, co-ordinating, and his "in-the-pocket" style.
Tommy is a maestro, from backing, recordiing, LIVE, and advanced technical skills. Trust me, no one gets into Bass player Magazine by being average. Alembic bass company doesn't endore everyone. If you ask the Tobias players out there, (I am one), they will tell you to a person of Tommy's legend. I will leave it at that...from Fred Hammond to Joel Smith to Andre Gauche, they will tell you he is da man in OUR circles. If I have to explain "who" they are...then lets just drop it, he he!!!!

Here is a quote ftom your Larry Carter..."Tommy Brown is above most bass players" check it out at www.TommyBrownproductions.com

Tommy Brown is one of the best I've ever heard. The bass is no longer the most important thing in my life,like it was 10-20 years ago.I'm more concerned about my kids,my business,teaching our Sunday school class,etc.Doesn't leave much time for music.It would be neat to do it full time.

[Monkeyman]

Originally Posted by BHILL

Tommy Brown is one of the best I've ever heard. The bass is no longer the most important thing in my life,like it was 10-20 years ago.I'm more concerned about my kids,my business,teaching our Sunday school class,etc.Doesn't leave much time for music.It would be neat to do it full time.

Brother, don't put that bass down!!! You need to pass on what you know and more importantly what it means to be a "musician". A lot of the young guys are forgetting, or, they never knew. Sad.

What is your rig?

PM me any recordings, I would love to hear ya!!!