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View Poll Results: Is it your experience that EVERYONE who repented and was baptized in Jesus name spoke
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Old 12-15-2007, 09:50 PM
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The devils believe and tremble.


I asekd this in another thread but it fits here- I am curious how you can convince some one to receive The Holy Ghost (Spirit of the Christ) if you don't see it as essential.
The Spirit of Christ is absolutely essential. Without it we are none of His. Do not equate receiving the living Spirit of Christ with being "filled with the Holy Ghost." I see evidence that the former is salvific, while the latter is a work of the already possessed Spirit in the life of the believer as it fully takes control.
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Old 12-15-2007, 09:54 PM
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In my over 23 yrs. of pastoring, I have seen some people get baptized and speak in tongues and some get baptized and not speak in tongues.

My observation is that some who haven't spoken in tongues have lived a better Christian life than some who have spoken in tongues. (and, obviously, vice versa)
Where do you pastor ? If your close I would like to stop by.
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Old 12-15-2007, 09:56 PM
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I like the Chinese version of Acts 2:38. The word translated "Shall" is "yut ding wui" which means "definitely will". So there is no question as to whether one will receive the gift of the Holy Ghost or not.
Beautiful. Thanks for sharing, Truly Blessed.
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Old 12-15-2007, 10:00 PM
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If I can keep the focus on Acts 2:38.....

Does the phrase "and ye SHALL receive the gift of the Holy Ghost" come as an unconditional promise to those who adhere to the preceding words of the passage?

Have ALL who have repented and been baptized in Jesus Name received the gift of the Holy Ghost?

If we say, NO, then we really do not believe in Acts 2:38 as much as we thought do we?
Everyone who is filled with the Holy Ghost will have at least one sign or gift.

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Old 12-15-2007, 10:06 PM
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The promise is given it doesn't say WHEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

There are only two reasons folks do not recieve the Holy Ghost.
1. They have not repented.
2. They do not believe.

But ALL speak in tongues when they do.
They do ? What did God say ? Acts.2:16: But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel.17: And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams

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The devils believe and tremble.


I asekd this in another thread but it fits here- I am curious how you can convince some one to receive The Holy Ghost (Spirit of the Christ) if you don't see it as essential.
I guess I just tell people that it is a gift promised from God and that power comes with it and that it is wonderful. I guess I just don't think that I have to resort to pressure tactics to get people to receive a gift from God. Truth will set people free and not everything has to be salvational to get folks to buy into it.

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Where do you pastor ? If your close I would like to stop by.
The church I pastor is in Sandusky, OH. You would be welcome any time!!

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Old 12-15-2007, 10:08 PM
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Thet do ? What did God say ? Acts.2:16: But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel.17: And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams
So are you saying that everyone has the Holy Ghost since the verse you have quoted numerous times states that God will pour his spirit out on ALL flesh??
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Old 12-15-2007, 10:11 PM
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If we count Peter's words as being inspired of God, then yes, everyone who has repented and been baptized in Jesus name should expect to recieve the gift of the Holy Spirit.

If they have not, then I believe something is hindering their faith.
I would agree that everyone WILL receive. In fact, since I believe the man with faith has passed from death to life (John 3:15-16, 36; 5:24; 6:40,47; 11:25,26), I believe that man has received the "gift of the Holy Ghost" which is eternal life when he repents unto faith (i.e., repents unto life - Acts 11:18). The gift of God is eternal life (Romans 6:23). This was the "promise of the Holy Ghost" Christ received of the Father (Acts 2:33). This was the promise "made unto the fathers" (Acts 13:32-33) which is also to "you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call" (Acts 2:39).
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Old 12-15-2007, 10:13 PM
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I would agree that everyone WILL receive. In fact, since I believe the man with faith has passed from death to life (John 3:15-16, 36; 5:24; 6:40,47; 11:25,26), I believe that man has received the "gift of the Holy Ghost" which is eternal life when he repents unto faith (i.e., repents unto life - Acts 11:18). The gift of God is eternal life (Romans 6:23). This was the "promise of the Holy Ghost" Christ received of the Father (Acts 2:33). This was the promise "made unto the fathers" (Acts 13:32-33) which is also to "you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call" (Acts 2:39).


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During Phillips revival meeting at Samaria, those present had repented of their sins, and Phillip had baptized them. But the bible states very plainly that they had not received the Holy Ghost.

Act 8:14 Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John:
Act 8:15 Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:
Act 8:16 (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)
Act 8:17 Then laid they [their] hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.


It was possibly days or even weeks (we do not know for sure how long) before Peter and John arrived and started a Holy Ghost rally.


The above is proof enough that the Holy Ghost is given in Gods time, and not mans. It simply states that it SHALL be given, but that does not mean it is automatic upon repentance and water baptism.
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Old 12-15-2007, 10:20 PM
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BOOMM, I do not equate Spirit filling with Spirit baptism. I do not see anywhere in the Bible where the phrase "filled with the Holy Ghost" speaks of regeneration and/or salvation. Acts 2:38 does not promise that the person will be "filled with the Holy Ghost," it promises that they will receive the "gift of the Holy Ghost" which taken in context is eternal life. Those who turned back to God would receive LIFE. That tongues may be a sign of Spirit "filling" has nothing to do with Acts 2:38.

There are many manifestations of Spirit "filling". BUT, I would say that evidence of the presence of the indwelling Spirit of LIFE is FAITH. He that believeth is passed from death unto life (John 3:15-16, 36; 5:24; 6:40,47; 11:25,26).

Jesus told them here in the first chapter 5:ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence,so they obeyed and was filled as we see in the second chapter,4: And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost.We see very clear baptized in the Holy Ghost and filled with the Holy Ghost is the same thing.

Acts1:1: The former treatise have I made, O Theophilus, of all that Jesus began both to do and teach,
2: Until the day in which he was taken up, after that he through the Holy Ghost had given commandments unto the apostles whom he had chosen:
3: To whom also he shewed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs, being seen of them forty days, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God:
4: And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me.
5: For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence
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6: When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
7: And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
8: But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.
9: And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.
10: And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;
11: Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.
12: Then returned they unto Jerusalem from the mount called Olivet, which is from Jerusalem a sabbath day's journey.
13: And when they were come in, they went up into an upper room, where abode both Peter, and James, and John, and Andrew, Philip, and Thomas, Bartholomew, and Matthew, James the son of Alphaeus, and Simon Zelotes, and Judas the brother of James.
14: These all continued with one accord in prayer and supplication, with the women, and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with his brethren.
15: And in those days Peter stood up in the midst of the disciples, and said, (the number of names together were about an hundred and twenty,)
16: Men and brethren, this scripture must needs have been fulfilled, which the Holy Ghost by the mouth of David spake before concerning Judas, which was guide to them that took Jesus.
17: For he was numbered with us, and had obtained part of this ministry.
18: Now this man purchased a field with the reward of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out.
19: And it was known unto all the dwellers at Jerusalem; insomuch as that field is called in their proper tongue, Aceldama, that is to say, The field of blood.
20: For it is written in the book of Psalms, Let his habitation be desolate, and let no man dwell therein: and his bishoprick let another take.
21: Wherefore of these men which have companied with us all the time that the Lord Jesus went in and out among us,
22: Beginning from the baptism of John, unto that same day that he was taken up from us, must one be ordained to be a witness with us of his resurrection.
23: And they appointed two, Joseph called Barsabas, who was surnamed Justus, and Matthias.
24: And they prayed, and said, Thou, Lord, which knowest the hearts of all men, shew whether of these two thou hast chosen,
25: That he may take part of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place.
26: And they gave forth their lots; and the lot fell upon Matthias; and he was numbered with the eleven apostles.

2: 1: And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
2: And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
3: And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
4: And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance
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