Self Esteem... one of our Greater Battles... - Page 5

revrandy · #41 03-09-2007, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Chan

Well, no, it doesn't give you "self-esteem." Recognizing that someone else, i.e. Christ, places value on you is not an act of you esteeming yourself or placing value on yourself.

However, this notion of us being SOOOOOOOO valuable to Christ that He would give Himself for us is false doctrine. The Bible makes it clear that all flesh is as grass (here one moment and burned up in the fire the next) and that all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags (for the sake of delicacy, I won't bother to go into what that means in the Hebrew). We are commanded to deny ourselves, die to self, etc. These are acts of self-effacement, not self-esteem. Paul explained in Romans 9 that there was nothing inherently good in Jacob or inherently bad in Esau that caused God to love Jacob and hate Esau. Also, what was Job's reaction when God showed him where he really stood with God? Did he esteem himself? No.

Self-esteem and lowliness of mind are absolutely incompatible.

I don't know this is what Jesus said..

Luke 12:6-8 (King James Version)
6Are not five sparrows sold for two farthings, and not one of them is forgotten before God?

7But even the very hairs of your head are all numbered. Fear not therefore: ye are of more value than many sparrows.

8Also I say unto you, Whosoever shall confess me before men, him shall the Son of man also confess before the angels of God...

revrandy · #42 03-09-2007, 02:48 PM

Chan..

The way I see it is that with Christ I can do ALL things... Without Him I can do nothing...

I think your problem is that you've never seen yourself as Valueable to God..You can't see your worth from your past...

Let it go.. and Let God change your life...

ManOfWord · #43 03-09-2007, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Chan

Well, no, it doesn't give you "self-esteem." Recognizing that someone else, i.e. Christ, places value on you is not an act of you esteeming yourself or placing value on yourself.

Quite right! It is recognizing the value He has placed upon me, as having been the apple of His eye, and being engraved on the palms of His hands.

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Originally Posted by Chan

However, this notion of us being SOOOOOOOO valuable to Christ that He would give Himself for us is false doctrine.

What you are stating is heresy, in my opinion. We were and ARE valuable to Him. We are His creation and to say that we are not valueable to Him is preposterous!

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Originally Posted by Chan

The Bible makes it clear that all flesh is as grass (here one moment and burned up in the fire the next) and that all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags (for the sake of delicacy, I won't bother to go into what that means in the Hebrew).

This is comparative value, not intrinsic value. In comparison to His righteousness, we are like filthy rags, and I do know the Hebrew meaning. It fits well in comparison.

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Originally Posted by Chan

We are commanded to deny ourselves, die to self, etc. These are acts of self-effacement, not self-esteem. Paul explained in Romans 9 that there was nothing inherently good in Jacob or inherently bad in Esau that caused God to love Jacob and hate Esau. Also, what was Job's reaction when God showed him where he really stood with God? Did he esteem himself? No.

It's not based upon my goodness. It is based upon His goodness upon me. His imputed righteousness, not my own goodness.

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Originally Posted by Chan

Self-esteem and lowliness of mind are absolutely incompatible.

I absolutely disagree! Self-esteem based upon what I stated, is completly compatible with lowliness of mind.

If I believe I stand on my own, I am in danger of falling. If I have confidence, esteem in standing on God's word, I will, indeed, stand.

Rhoni · #44 03-09-2007, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by LadyChocolate

Yes!!! It was a very uplifting thread,,,,,,until................................. .

You go RevRandy with yo bad self!!!! Oh yeah Oh yeah!!!

At least I know it isn't just my threads that he kills

ManOfWord · #45 03-09-2007, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Rhoni

At least I know it isn't just my threads that he kills

He can't kill 'em. He is just expressing his opinion, however wrong it may be.

Reminds me of the "worship leader" stuff. I really do have respect for people's opinions, but some of this, I fear, is straining at a gnat and swallowing a camel.