A Handmaids Tale

[Amanah]

Originally Posted by Esaias

You sure they were actually following Biblical law?

And let's assume they actually were. What does the NT say about slaves, handmaids, servants, etc?

submission, the difference between the OT and NT is the death penalty

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

There you go again.
Just can't help yourself.
Many, many studies show that the LEFT gives very little to the poor.
It is the "evil" conservative right-wingers who open up their pocket books to the poor.

I don't fault conservatives on their willingness to give to charity. I think conservatives deserve much praise in that department.

I fault them on failing to see the social obligations of a nation that go beyond mere charity as described by God Himself in His Law given to Israel.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Amanah

submission, the difference between the OT and NT is the death penalty

The wages of sin is no longer death?

According to Romans 1:32 the death penalty for capital crimes is still valid. Otherwise, ALL capital punishment (like for murder) is invalid and wrong.

Was God ever wrong when he said rapists, fornicators, murderers, etc should be sentenced to death by the courts?

Also, if a slave ran away, it was against God's law to forcibly return the escaped slave to his or her owner (Deut 23:15). Slaves could only serve until the end of the sixth year, in the Sabbath year they were set free (Deut 15:12), unless they voluntarily chose to remain for life (Deut 15:16-17).

There were also laws for concubinage, however since Bible law encompasses BOTH Testaments, monogamy has always been the norm in "Christian" societies.

The Inquisition was anything and everything BUT theonomic.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Esaias

The wages of sin is no longer death?

According to Romans 1:32 the death penalty for capital crimes is still valid. Otherwise, ALL capital punishment (like for murder) is invalid and wrong.

Was God ever wrong when he said rapists, fornicators, murderers, etc should be sentenced to death by the courts?

Also, if a slave ran away, it was against God's law to forcibly return the escaped slave to his or her owner (Deut 23:15). Slaves could only serve until the end of the sixth year, in the Sabbath year they were set free (Deut 15:12), unless they voluntarily chose to remain for life (Deut 15:16-17).

There were also laws for concubinage, however since Bible law encompasses BOTH Testaments, monogamy has always been the norm in "Christian" societies.

The Inquisition was anything and everything BUT theonomic.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. We all know you support executing sinners. Thank God people with this perspective aren't typically competent enough to gain or hold public office. lol

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Aquila

I don't fault conservatives on their willingness to give to charity. I think conservatives deserve much praise in that department.

I fault them on failing to see the social obligations of a nation that go beyond mere charity as described by God Himself in His Law given to Israel.

In other words, you want the government to tax all workers to give handouts to others who either can't or won't handle their own affairs.

The tithe law which benefitted the poor etc was not a free cash subsidy. It was a meal that was eaten to which the poor etc were invited.

Socialism is unbiblical, ungodly, and a sign of divine wrath.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Yeah, yeah, yeah. We all know you support executing sinners. Thank God people with this perspective aren't typically competent enough to gain or hold public office. lol

So then you are on record as opposing the death penalty for murderers, rapists, kidnappers, etc. According to you, God's law is horrible, terrible, and downright wrong. And you thank God that you live in a society where evil is not punished.

Explains quite a bit.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Esaias

In other words, you want the government to tax all workers to give handouts to others who either can't or won't handle their own affairs.

The tithe law which benefitted the poor etc was not a free cash subsidy. It was a meal that was eaten to which the poor etc were invited.

Socialism is unbiblical, ungodly, and a sign of divine wrath.

You're right, agrarian socialism is different from modern socialism. My point was that in principle... God held the entire nation, beginning with the ruler, responsible for basic provisions for the poor, widows, strangers, and needy.

And the notion that you or I 100% own anything is a doctrine of devils. All things are God's. And we are only entrusted with them to be good stewards, and that responsibility was also expected of those who governed the nation.

The poor tithe was an agrarian land tax to care for the poor.

You know, for the average American making roughly $50,000 a year, only $16 a year is given to fund the food stamp program? Yet, over $600 is spent to fund corporate subsidies for corporations already recording record profits.

But social programs for the poor are breaking our budgets. I gotcha.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Aquila

You're right, agrarian socialism is different from modern socialism. My point was that in principle... God held the entire nation, beginning with the ruler, responsible for basic provisions for the poor, widows, strangers, and needy.

And the notion that you or I 100% own anything is a doctrine of devils. All things are God's. And we are only entrusted with them to be good stewards, and that responsibility was also expected of those who governed the nation.

The poor tithe was an agrarian land tax to care for the poor.

Wrong thread. As pointed out in the other thread, the tithe for the poor was not a government tax sent to the state for redistribution as they saw fit.

You should hit the books more, and google and the DNC websites a bit less.

[Amanah]

Originally Posted by Esaias

The wages of sin is no longer death?

According to Romans 1:32 the death penalty for capital crimes is still valid. Otherwise, ALL capital punishment (like for murder) is invalid and wrong.

Was God ever wrong when he said rapists, fornicators, murderers, etc should be sentenced to death by the courts?

Also, if a slave ran away, it was against God's law to forcibly return the escaped slave to his or her owner (Deut 23:15). Slaves could only serve until the end of the sixth year, in the Sabbath year they were set free (Deut 15:12), unless they voluntarily chose to remain for life (Deut 15:16-17).

There were also laws for concubinage, however since Bible law encompasses BOTH Testaments, monogamy has always been the norm in "Christian" societies.

The Inquisition was anything and everything BUT theonomic.

Jesus ate with publicans and sinners, he came to seek and save that which was lost. The penalty for sin is death, but Jesus paid the penalty so that we don't have to. Those who repent and obey the gospel can attain eternal life, those who don't are sentenced to death at the final judgment.

1 Cor 6:9-11
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Esaias

So then you are on record as opposing the death penalty for murderers, rapists, kidnappers, etc. According to you, God's law is horrible, terrible, and downright wrong. And you thank God that you live in a society where evil is not punished.

Explains quite a bit.

In the United States, after review, around 7%-11% of those given a death sentence were found to have been wrongfully prosecuted due to suppressed evidence that could have exonerated them or contributed to a lesser sentence, or inadequate legal counsel.

It's not that I think the death penalty is morally wrong. Government has the right to impose the death penalty. However, for the sake of the few who committed no crime worthy of death, I don't support the death penalty as it stands in our current justice system.