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Old 08-08-2008, 06:45 PM
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Re: Polygamy in the Bible

Here just part of what I read on Polygamy

Jesus said: "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law (the Old Testament) or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke or a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law (the Old Testament) until everything is accomplished. (Matthew 5:17-18)"

Christians always say as an excuse "Oh this law doesn't exist in the New Testament, it is only the Old Testament." Well, according to Matthew 5:17-18 above, we clearly see that Jesus honored the Old Testament, and forces Christians to follow the unmodified laws of it that have not been replaced by newer ones in the New Testament. The Old Testament as we clearly see above does indeed allow polygamy without a shadow of a doubt !!.

There is not a single verse from the New Testament that prohibits polygamy. Christians usually mistakenly present the following verses from the Bible to prove that polygamy in the New Testament is not allowed:

Matthew 19:1-12 "1. When Jesus had finished saying these things, he left Galilee and went into the region of Judea to
the other side of the Jordan.
2. Large crowds followed him, and he healed them there.
3. Some Pharisees came to him to test him. They asked, "Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for any and every reason?"
4. "Haven't you read," he (Jesus) replied, "that at the beginning the Creator `made them male and female,'
5. and said, `For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh' ?
6. So they are no longer two, but one. Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate."
7. "Why then," they asked, "did Moses command that a man give his wife a certificate of divorce and send her away?"
8. Jesus replied, "Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning.
9. I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, and marries another woman commits adultery."
10. The disciples said to him, "If this is the situation between a husband and wife, it is better not to marry."
11. Jesus replied, "Not everyone can accept this word, but only those to whom it has been given.
12. For some are eunuchs because they were born that way; others were made that way by men; and others have renounced marriage because of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it."

In the above verses, we see that Jesus was approached with a question about whether or not it is allowed for a man to divorce his wife in Matthew 19:3. Jesus immediately referred to the Old Testament for the answer in Matthew 19:4. He referred to Adam and Eve, one man and one woman. The Old Testament does talk about the story of Adam and Eve as one husband and one wife. However, the Old Testament which Jesus had referred to in Matthew 19:3 does allow polygamy.

Also, when a man becomes a one flesh with his wife in Matthew 19:5-6, this doesn't mean that the man can't be one flesh with another woman. He can be one flesh with his first wife, and one flesh with his second wife, and one flesh with his third wife and so on.... To further prove this point, let us look at the following from the New Testament:

Matthew 22:23-32 "23. That same day the Sadducees, who say there is no resurrection, came to him with a question.
24. "Teacher," they said, "Moses told us that if a man dies without having children, his brother must marry the widow and have children for him.
25. Now there were seven brothers among us. The first one married and died, and since he had no children, he left his wife to his brother.
26. The same thing happened to the second and third brother, right on down to the seventh.
27. Finally, the woman died.
28. Now then, at the resurrection, whose wife will she be of the seven, since all of them were married to her?"
29. Jesus replied, "You are in error because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God.
30. At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven.
31. But about the resurrection of the dead--have you not read what God said to you,
32. `I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob' ? He is not the God of the dead but of the living."

In Matthew 22:24-28, the Jews referred to Deuteronomy 25:5 from the Old Testament where it states that if a woman's husband dies, and she didn't have any kids from him, then she must marry his brother regardless whether he had a wife or not. When the Jews brought this situation up to Jesus in Matthew 22:24-28, Jesus did not prohibit at all for the childless widow to marry her husband's brother (even if he were married). Instead, Jesus replied to them by saying that we do not marry in heaven, and we will be like angels in heaven (Matthew 22:30).

So in other words, if Jesus allowed for a widow to marry her former husband's brother even if he were married, then this negates the Christians' claim about the Bible prohibiting polygamy. A man can be one flesh with more than one woman. In the case of Matthew 22:24-28, the man can be one flesh with his wife, and one flesh with his deceased brother's wife. Also keep in mind that Exodus 21:10 allows a man to marry an infinite amount of women, and Deuteronomy 21:15 allows a man to marry more than one wife.

Please visit: Widows are protected in Islam from their in-laws, but are forced and not protected in the Bible's NT and OT.

http://www.answering-christianity.com/ntpoly.htm
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Old 08-08-2008, 07:07 PM
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I've studied Christian polygamy for some time. It's definitely not prohibited, although I would say the less wives the better if possible. In some scenarios polygamy is beneficial, and certainly should be practiced instead of divorce, which is horrible and sadly commonplace. It's obvious God created polygamy for a purpose, and I hope more people will educate themselves about it rather than judge. Here is a helpful page that supports Christian polygamy using scripture:

http://www.modernpolygamy.com/polygamy-is-biblical/
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Old 08-08-2008, 07:08 PM
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In the above verses, we see that Jesus was approached with a question about whether or not it is allowed for a man to divorce his wife in Matthew 19:3. Jesus immediately referred to the Old Testament for the answer in Matthew 19:4. He referred to Adam and Eve, one man and one woman. The Old Testament does talk about the story of Adam and Eve as one husband and one wife. However, the Old Testament which Jesus had referred to in Matthew 19:3 does allow polygamy.

Also, when a man becomes a one flesh with his wife in Matthew 19:5-6, this doesn't mean that the man can't be one flesh with another woman. He can be one flesh with his first wife, and one flesh with his second wife, and one flesh with his third wife and so on....
Funny how the scripture twisters cannot combat the math. The scripture says 1+1=2 becoming one.

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Old 08-08-2008, 07:10 PM
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I've studied Christian polygamy for some time. It's definitely not prohibited, although I would say the less wives the better if possible. In some scenarios polygamy is beneficial, and certainly should be practiced instead of divorce, which is horrible and sadly commonplace. It's obvious God created polygamy for a purpose, and I hope more people will educate themselves about it rather than judge. Here is a helpful page that supports Christian polygamy using scripture:

http://www.modernpolygamy.com/polygamy-is-biblical/
Hey, any of you indivduals even married?
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Funny how the scripture twisters cannot combat the math. The scripture says 1+1=2 becoming one.

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Who has twisted scripture (other than that virgins and oil stuff which i wont touch)?

We are being textual literalists.
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Old 08-08-2008, 07:34 PM
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Aquila, you are definitly making the point about Romans Laws against Polygamy..... Even while this was the law,, many of the Jews still practiced it.. because THEIR RELIGION allowed for it..... So I am wondering. who is the better example for us to follow? Pagan Rome or Gods original Bride, Yisrael?
Act 25:8

"While he answered for himself, Neither against the law of the Jews, neither against the temple, nor yet against Caesar, have I offended any thing at all."

Rom 13:1-2

"Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation."


Tit 3:1-3

"Put them in mind to be subject to principalities and powers, to obey magistrates, to be ready to every good work, To speak evil of no man, to be no brawlers, but gentle, shewing all meekness unto all men."

1Pe 2:13-16

"Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake: whether it be to the king, as supreme; Or unto governors, as unto them that are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers, and for the praise of them that do well. For so is the will of God, that with well doing ye may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men: As free, and not using your liberty for a cloke of maliciousness, but as the servants of God."


Sorry Dr. Voo, but since Paul was an exceptional Roman citizen he would of never taught good former Gentiles who had converted to Christianity to break Roman Law. Also the former Jews who had converted to Christianity had to respect Roman Law as well and set an example for their Gentile converts. There is absolutely no teaching or allowance in the NT for a man to have plural wives. You also failed to prove why Paul would admonish Elders in the church to set the example of having only ONE wife instead of having multiple wives.

Now, if Paul refused Bishops and Deacons to have plural wives, wouldn't that make his epistles confusing to those who were supposed to follow the examples of these elders?

Your doctrine is shot in the head, and harder to understand than the Trinity.

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Who has twisted scripture (other than that virgins and oil stuff which i wont touch)?

We are being textual literalists.
The scripture is wrested when you start adding to it, like saying that One man leaving mother and father and joining to his one wife to become one flesh, is not saying that he can't keep adding to his wife collection.

EW, Adam and Eve sets the example, and God removed ONE rib, not two, three, or four. Adam sets the example of One head on one body, to show us One God in One Israel. What you are trying to present is twisting the scripture like a rag. You young lads are teaching a totally different Jesus and Gospel.

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Old 08-08-2008, 07:59 PM
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Hey, any of you indivduals even married?
Yes, I am happily married to one wife and plan to keep it that way. Yet I can't deny what the scriptures plainly say regarding multiple wives.

I think many people assume polygamy means that one man is married to two wives as if one ceremony took place and one marriage is in existence but that is not true. There is no such ceremony, two women cannot be part of the same marriage. There are two marriages in place when a man has two wives, that means two ceremonies had to take place. Each ceremony bonded one man to one woman. That means anyone arguing against polygamy who quotes the bible talking about 'one flesh', or 'one man and one woman' are just preaching to the choir.

Deuteronomy 25:5 requires polygamy when both brothers are married and one of the brothers die. This would contradict genesis if the one flesh bond could not happen more than once. The NT did not change the rules either. Divorce is what is tearing families apart these days, so why pick on the biblically acceptable practice of polygamy? I think because it is not commonplace that it is just foreign and scary to many Christians. Or they associate it with fundamentalist Mormons.
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Old 08-08-2008, 09:51 PM
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Funny how the scripture twisters cannot combat the math. The scripture says 1+1=2 becoming one.

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Adam and Eve were before the fall, so I think things were a lot different. I think Polygamy was a form of welfare. Women were owned, they were property and sold off, widows with kids had no system to rely on to take care of them like we do today, they were handed off to the bother.

In fact Ronald Reagan pass a bill while in office that women were no longer deemed property of the husband (bill on domestic violence) A husband no longer could beat his wife, she was no longer deemed as his property to do with what he wished.

Back to the bible Jesus himself use the word Bride (Jesus is coming back for His bride). Does that mean one Bride, singular ??? Or does the using of Bride in this context mean many within a group, called one Bride but made up of more then one?????

No I don't think Polygamy would be for me, but that does not mean God done away with it, the only time it mention one wife, (A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, ... 1 Timothy 3:2 )
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Hey, any of you indivduals even married?
Yep, going on 26 years and very happy with just one....
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