Is the Media Unfair to McCain? - Page 49

Ferd · #**481** 07-23-2008, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by ReformedDave

I disagree!

That right there is funny!

ReformedDave · #**482** 07-23-2008, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Ferd

That right there is funny!

He doesn't get it.......

Aquila · #**483** 07-23-2008, 10:14 PM

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The idea of being 'neutral' in one's thinking is a myth. We all view life thru a set of presuppositions or a grid by which we measure everything. There are no facts that are not interpreted facts. Every area of life is seen thru our 'sun glasses'.

As far as legislating morality, we do it all the time......don't kill or steal, etc. It all comes down to which morality do we use?

Actually it's not an issue of morality...it's about rights. Laws protect life, liberty, and property.

However, there are limits to each.

For example there are circumstances in which it is legal to take a life. An intruder can be shot and killed if the owner of the home feels that their life is in danger. In war life can be taken. In police action life can be taken. In self defense life can be taken. If a family member is on life support, you have the right to choose to keep them on the machines or let them go. When it comes to abortion, due to the fact that it's intertwined with a woman's life and health, the Government has decided that the right to choose is best policy. If your life or health is possibly at stake...the decision is yours.

Aquila · #**484** 07-23-2008, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by ReformedDave

I disagree!

I wonder why. LOL

ReformedDave · #**485** 07-23-2008, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Aquila

Actually it's not an issue of morality...it's about rights. Laws protect life, liberty, and property.

How do you establish who's rights are the correct ones? That involves morality and a moral system. Why is life, liberty, and property worth protecting? That is a moral question.

ReformedDave · #**486** 07-23-2008, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Aquila

I wonder why. LOL

Praise Father, Son and........!

Jermyn Davidson · #**487** 07-23-2008, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Ferd

hey dude, its your position. suck it up and embrace yourself!

you oppose abortion and at the same time defend the right of people to HAVE abortion. if you cant see the dicotomy there I cant help ya!

The more we legislate Christianity, the less powerful it is as a force of real change in person's life.

This is why legalism is so damaging to the reputations of some Pentecostal churches: when you force righteousness, it is no longer righteousness.

Don't you see that as Christians, the life we live now is not a life lived in the confines of various laws written to keep our lives good and pleasing to the Lord? The basis of of Christianity is relationship-- it is His love for us first and then our love for Him. So it is out of LOVE and DEVOTION, we strive to live our lives in a way that is pleasing to Him, not out of adherence to the law.

So for people who are unsaved, forcing them to live their lives by a code of laws that we can not even measure up to in the end is not realistic.

Although many of our founding fathers considered themselves Christian, our country was never meant to be a Theocracy. We need to remember that when in our religious fervor, we try to Christianize a heathen nation without a relationship with Christ.

Aquila · #**488** 07-23-2008, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by ReformedDave

How do you establish who's rights are the correct ones? That involves morality and a moral system. Why is life, liberty, and property worth protecting? That is a moral question.

The way I see it, it's immoral to empower the Government to seize a woman's body to make her give birth. It's immoral for the Government to define when a woman might need an abortion or not when Government bureaucrats aren't doctors and doctors are often divided, not to mention, there are often circumstances unforeseen and unpredictable. To force a woman to die when the choice should be hers and hers alone....to me is immoral. If she chooses abortion when it's not necessary...she alone is individually responsible and will answer to God for her sin.