A letter from Bro. Haney

[stmatthew]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

The video player, dvd player is also used to view TV programs and some feel it's completely legit because it's not a live fed.

I believe porn is worse than anything on anything.

But the fact is that many saints wouldn't be caught dead watching porn on tv or internet, but will tune in weekly to shows that promote and glamorize fornication, adultery, rape, murder, homosexuality....

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by stmatthew

I did not say tv is worse. My stand has remained that sin is sin no matter what venue you get it from.

So again, I ask which is worse, Porn on tv or porn on internet??

Here's my take. It's all wrong, but I have to believe porn on the internet is worse. There are no rules to regulate what is shown on the internet - - anything and everything goes.

Child porn can be posted on the internet and as far as I know, I don't believe they have cable channels showing child porn on TV.

I would think there's some type of regulation on what can be shown as porn on TV. Also, there's no porn on my TV. I don't have cable that allows porn.

There IS porn on this computer.

I once did a search for beanie babies and open the page and wow.....it wasn't little collectible beanie babies to purchase for my daughter. It WAS someone's daughter.

[stmatthew]

Originally Posted by philjones

I am posting a letter from Bro. Haney by permission. I received the letter from a recipient in email.

Subject: Letter from Brother Haney
Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 14:51:33 -0600


January 4, 2008

Dear brethren,

I want to thank you for all that you have done and are doing for the Kingdom. As a movement ordained of God, we have been in the midst of the storm, but I can assure you that the storm is ABATING. As Moses, Caleb, Joshua, Nehemiah and numerous others of God’s Generals have stood at the forefront of an emotional storm; when a handful of voices among them sought to bring division, they as God’s Generals, spoke with Authority & Assurance! God was with them, and the storm passed over; thus, it will be the same with us.

I have been to a number of meetings in the last month and a half, and my heart has been greatly warmed by the host of ministers who have come to me personally to assure me of their loyalty and that they were in much prayer. They could not understand why men would conduct themselves in this manner. This is the feeling of most of the UPCI. I was moved by their love and prayerfulness for God’s work, and my heart was touched by their spirit. I felt that we, as God’s leaders, need to seize the moment and speak calm to the storm, and also discourage any of our brethren from going to the Tulsa event. No good would come from their going - only that they would be used. At this point, it is time for the Generals to forcefully and clearly—without hesitation—strengthen the hands of God’s people.

There is no panic or fear, but only concern that some precious ministers may be isolated for some reason or other from the main stream of the Fellowship. It could be by distance or lack of closeness to fellow ministers, and all they know is what they read on some web site or what comes in the mail. Neither of these gives the true picture. Several men, whose names were listed in the items being mailed out and distributed, contacted me and were greatly concerned that their names had been included. In some cases, men said they had not given their consent; in other cases, that they called or notified whomever was in charge and told them NOT to list their names, but they were listed in spite of their protest.

The brethren of our Districts must be assured that the church, the United Pentecostal Church International, is blessed of God and stands staunch as a Holiness movement, a revival movement, and a doctrinally sound movement, and that there is no compromise. As a matter of fact, we have history, as an organization, to prove this. Each generation in times of crisis has risen to the challenge; therefore, we will, and have done so also.

From my experience in traveling the length and breadth of our Fellowship, it is my opinion that we are as solid, strong, and as passionate as we have ever been. Any new group attempting to start will do so without history or track record, and it is yet to be proven what they would really do in the midst of crisis. In the history of the UPCI, there have been other groups who have attempted to do this also, but have failed to rally to the challenges, and thus came to naught.

In the final analysis and when the dust settles, we will be a stronger organization and a more passionate movement. We will be more united against worldliness and more united for the cause of World Evangelism - proclaiming the unadulterated Gospel of the New Testament as we impact this world for the cause of the Kingdom. The United Pentecostal Church is growing rapidly. New churches and daughter works are being planted each day, and a host of new ministers are being added to the already great number. For instance, our General Secretary, Brother Jones, just spoke to me and said that since General Conference, we have lost 27 ministers due to the passing of the resolution. In the same period of time, we have licensed 128 new ministers. The church is strong and will not, and must not, be distracted from our real mission: to reach our cities, states, and the nations of the world with TRUTH and an uncompromising message.

In conclusion, in reminiscing over my life, I have found that each trial and each valley I have journeyed through, that AFTER the trial, I have been much stronger and more blessed. I do believe that there is a great deal of good that will be achieved as a movement when we pass to the other side of this storm, and we will be bonded closer together and our purpose will have greater clarity.

For a United Church and respectfully yours,

Kenneth F. Haney

KFH/jh

There you have it. Thank you Bro. Baughman!

In reading this letter, I had to bump it back up and highlite the bolded part above.

So the UPCI is the church??

Also, for many of the conservative men that have been a part of an anti-tv organization, the passing of Resolution #4 IS A COMPROMISE.

[Jekyll]

Thanks, Matt for keeping the dog in the fight

[lilyrose]

Originally Posted by stmatthew

But the fact is that many saints wouldn't be caught dead watching porn on tv or internet, but will tune in weekly to shows that promote and glamorize fornication, adultery, rape, murder, homosexuality....

Yep. After twenty years give or take attending UPCI churches I think I've had about all I can stomach of the double standard of hypocrisy. I am finding it increasingly hard to turn a blind eye to the fact that I see the Pentecostal females on my Facebook with a favorite tv show and movie list that would make some blush. Gossip Girl? Really? I find it almost laughable when the titles of the shows on the favorite tv show lists even mention the sins they are SUPPOSED to be shunning. Ummm, I thought the Bible says refrain from gossip. There are a LOT more scriptures warning against gossip, than there are about a man made dress code. In fact I think I read like ONE scripture as opposed to probably close to fifty against gossip, etc. ONE scripture pertaining to clothing that a whole church culture is built around, while all the while ignoring the fifty or more scriptures pertaining to gossip and the inner man issues that seem to be totally ignored and trampled on by many. Not all, but many. I love God, I love the basic foundation of faith, as in Acts 2:38, I truly do. However, I have had enough of the pride in appearance, we look so "Pentecostal" that therefore makes me oh so better and "holier" than everyone, BUT, I can watch all the same filth, and basically things bad for my spirit like the rest of the world does -- my OUTFIT and hairstyle fit the Pentecostal uniform! That MUST make me a Christian!! I feel like I have spiritually matured past the shallow legalism, that seems to foster a false sense of spiritual security and superiority to others, others who are extremely sincere in heart and spirit in serving God, a lot more so than those with the I have my Pentecostal costume on-therefore I must be saved types.

[Steve Epley]

The backslider in heart shall be filled with his own ways.

[Abiding Now]

Originally Posted by lilyrose

Yep. After twenty years give or take attending UPCI churches I think I've had about all I can stomach of the double standard of hypocrisy. I am finding it increasingly hard to turn a blind eye to the fact that I see the Pentecostal females on my Facebook with a favorite tv show and movie list that would make some blush. Gossip Girl? Really? I find it almost laughable when the titles of the shows on the favorite tv show lists even mention the sins they are SUPPOSED to be shunning. Ummm, I thought the Bible says refrain from gossip. There are a LOT more scriptures warning against gossip, than there are about a man made dress code. In fact I think I read like ONE scripture as opposed to probably close to fifty against gossip, etc. ONE scripture pertaining to clothing that a whole church culture is built around, while all the while ignoring the fifty or more scriptures pertaining to gossip and the inner man issues that seem to be totally ignored and trampled on by many. Not all, but many. I love God, I love the basic foundation of faith, as in Acts 2:38, I truly do. However, I have had enough of the pride in appearance, we look so "Pentecostal" that therefore makes me oh so better and "holier" than everyone, BUT, I can watch all the same filth, and basically things bad for my spirit like the rest of the world does -- my OUTFIT and hairstyle fit the Pentecostal uniform! That MUST make me a Christian!! I feel like I have spiritually matured past the shallow legalism, that seems to foster a false sense of spiritual security and superiority to others, others who are extremely sincere in heart and spirit in serving God, a lot more so than those with the I have my Pentecostal costume on-therefore I must be saved types.

Now that you've vented, feel better?