Do You Believe In Women Preachers?

[Sister Alvear]

bless you Barb...sometimes it is better to stop than to go on and on and in the end become enemies...

[TK Burk]

God never permits us to get our "faith" from what we "feel." That is the way much of today’s 'churchianity' is going. Such error basically goes like this: one's FEELINGS produces their FAITH, which then becomes their FACTS! This is NOT the correct formula for a believer to derive biblical faith! We are not to follow feelings, but to follow the Word of God! To achieve biblical faith one must use the proper formula and that is: FACTS (God's Word) produces FAITH (not in selfish opinion or man-inspired traditions, but in Jesus' Word!) and that produces FEELINGS (the expectancy that comes from confidence in God). We see Paul teaching this formula in the next verse: "So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God" (Rom 10:17).

[ReformedDave]

Originally Posted by Lost and Found

God never permits us to get our "faith" from what we "feel." That is the way much of today’s 'churchianity' is going. Such error basically goes like this: one's FEELINGS produces their FAITH, which then becomes their FACTS! This is NOT the correct formula for a believer to derive biblical faith! We are not to follow feelings, but to follow the Word of God! To achieve biblical faith one must use the proper formula and that is: FACTS (God's Word) produces FAITH (not in selfish opinion or man-inspired traditions, but in Jesus' Word!) and that produces FEELINGS (the expectancy that comes from confidence in God). We see Paul teaching this formula in the next verse: "So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God" (Rom 10:17).

Great post!!!! Truth is propositional.

[nahkoe]

I think what Sis Alvear is saying is that two people sometimes study the same passage of scripture with the same intent, to discern what it truly says. They pray to the same God asking for revelation and clarification of what He truly wants them to see and know as truth. Very often, you still end up with 2 different interpretations. Both of you *know* you're right, so who's right?

I think she was using the word feel in this context, not as "this feels good so I'm going to believe this", but as "I believe this to be true". I consider "feel" to be less harsh than "know" when interpretation is being discussed. Y'all prefer the harsher approach though from what I've seen. lol

To me, I read these things the same way. Feel, believe, know, all mean you've studied it out and this is what your thoughts are on the matter.

Originally Posted by Lost and Found

God never permits us to get our "faith" from what we "feel." That is the way much of today’s 'churchianity' is going. Such error basically goes like this: one's FEELINGS produces their FAITH, which then becomes their FACTS! This is NOT the correct formula for a believer to derive biblical faith! We are not to follow feelings, but to follow the Word of God! To achieve biblical faith one must use the proper formula and that is: FACTS (God's Word) produces FAITH (not in selfish opinion or man-inspired traditions, but in Jesus' Word!) and that produces FEELINGS (the expectancy that comes from confidence in God). We see Paul teaching this formula in the next verse: "So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God" (Rom 10:17).

[HeavenlyOne]

Originally Posted by Lost and Found

Nope. Never did forget Priscilla. And YOU said it; she sat BY HER husband. Of course she was part of that team. But it was a team. Never does the Bible say she was an elder.

Remember, the the question of this thread is if a woman can be a 'preacher.' This is not about whether she can minister to another's needs or if she can be a witness. These are easily found as acceptable in scripture. But nowhere do we find a woman being used as an elder in the Church. That is the difference.

I'm not sure why you bring up the 'elder' issue. Nobody claimed she was an elder. A preacher is not necessarily an elder. An elder is not necessarily a preacher. Those are two separate issues, really.

But tell me, what difference does it make if one speaks to an individual or household the same words spoken behind a pulpit? Do you know what the definition of 'preach' even is? I'll give you a hint.....it's got nothing to do with a platform, church, or pulpit.

[HeavenlyOne]

Originally Posted by Lost and Found

Uhmm...so does the word "Church." Would you please tell us what all that means? Is there a difference or is it literal? Are you saying that only females can be leaders and members of the Church? P L E A S E!

There is much more going on here than the simple argument you are presenting. Study it out and you will see.

Actually, I wasn't the one making the point, I was just counteracting yours.

[HeavenlyOne]

Originally Posted by Lost and Found

Firstly, that is YOUR logic, not mine.

Secondly, no offence intended, but if you really think this way, you really need to study more.

That's my logic??? You are the one who said it, remember???

I may need to study more, but you need to remember what you are talking about so we can have honest conversation.

[HeavenlyOne]

Originally Posted by Lost and Found

Sisiter, are you talking about leadership or speaking Truth? I am sure you know that there is a difference. To witness in the Word is not the same as being an elder in the Church.

I have to wonder why you have an agenda about elders when we aren't talking about that. You keep reminding me that the topic is women preachers, but you keep speaking about elders. Why is that?

[HeavenlyOne]

Originally Posted by Sacerdotal

I see nothing at all wrong with the statement. The question was 'do you believe in women preachers'. My answer was 'as long as they don't try to act like men' or try to conduct themselves in or out of the pulpit like a bunch of masculine lesbians.

I believe in all the rest of them just fine. The ones I don't believe in are the ones who act like the masculine lesbian type. It's against the nature of God just as much as a bunch of feminine men who act like pantywaisted perverts.

Why in the whole world would it offend you to hear someone say they don't have confidence in women preachers who act like masculine lesbians? I find it strange indeed that anybody claiming to be saved would be offended by such. The masculine lesbian type - preacher or not - are offensive to God and most of those who claim to be His.

Can you believe that it's possible for a female to act in a masculine manner without acting like a lesbian? The two aren't even related, but I feel that your mention of lesbians is in line with those who feel that women preachers are equal to those kinds of women.

I have seen lots of what I consider 'feminine acting' men, but for one, that's my personal opinion, and two, I would never say that those men are acting like feminine queers because of what my personal opinion may be. I feel it's a slap in the face to the women preachers here who are lumped into that category and why your comment was allowed to stand while pics of what your comment represented were taken off this forum I don't understand.

[HeavenlyOne]

Originally Posted by Sacerdotal

Technically, lesbian IS the word that came to my mind but I had to put the masculine in there to denote that I'm not talking about the dainty, prissy lesbian but the manly, in your face, obnoxious kind of lesbian.

I just have to ask again, WHY DO YOU HAVE TO COMPARE THEM TO LESBIANS????

Do you have some sick fascination with that issue or something??

I'm 5'10", large frame, deep voice, and I wear pants. You might think that I'm a bit on the masculine side but to consider me a lesbian because I act a little masculine is something you seriously need prayer about.