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[JoeBandy]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

He didn't have any dream.

Yes, I'm as serious as a heart attack.

Well Well EB.... your true colors come shining through.. When I first joined I thought you were an egotistical maniac but I kept reading your post and thought, well he is well versed and studied although a little blunt and rough. After this post I realize your are just another keyboard coward! How many post have I read where you have bashed, berated and browbeat others when they have voiced concerns about a pastor or leaders abuse and/or sins?? DOZENS! It is awful strange when it is an issue you agree with how fast you can defend "leadership" and dawg out those that express concerns and sometime even their experience. Even your latest little catch phrase "LISTEN TO YOUR PASTOR". is now a joke coming from you. The man you say is lying is/was pastor to hundreds. SO.... what do you tell people that sit under his pastoral authority (something you obviously believe strongly in)???? You talk out of both sides of your mouth. You are a joke … to yourself, this forum, any member past or present you have berated, to me and prolly most of humanity. Do me, AFF, and your self a favor.. Get off of AFF a while and pray through!!!

[1ofthechosen]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

My stance? What am I being interviewed by NPR?
Watch the video again, very carefully at the part where he talks about the “dream.” Consider his body language, watch closely. Is he lying? You decide.

What he talks about in I will not die in my dilemma I posted it above is what he's referring to. He basically says the same thing then, just he went into more detail at his home church. His body language always seems off, he's not a easy person to read that way. I don't see what he would benefit off telling a lie that makes him look bad though. It would be different if it made him look good, but lie to make himself seem like the opposite of a Christian and he is a pastor? That doesn't make sense to me
Doesn't sound like a very beneficial deception, I don't see what could be gained positively for him on that one bro.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by 1ofthechosen

What he talks about in I will not die in my dilemma I posted it above is what he's referring to. He basically says the same thing then, just he went into more detail at his home church. His body language always seems off, he's not a easy person to read that way. I don't see what he would benefit off telling a lie that makes him look bad though. It would be different if it made him look good, but lie to make himself seem like the opposite of a Christian and he is a pastor? That doesn't make sense to me
Doesn't sound like a very beneficial deception, I don't see what could be gained positively for him on that one bro.

His body language always seems off? What does that even mean?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

His body language always seems off? What does that even mean?

Sister, I believe in my heart, that if you carefully watch the video again you’ll see. I have total faith in your ability to see what is going on when he makes the statement. Nothing will change in his world. I have good memories of his preaching. The one that 1ofhischosen had mention is excellent. Yet, he isn’t exempt of having some tough spots, especially as he gets older and time takes its toll. Again, I have total faith that you’ll spot it. If you don’t, then fine. It’s my opinion and what I perceive is going on in that particular video. I respect, I don’t want to offend you. As far as Brother Arnold in the video, I don’t believe him.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by 1ofthechosen

What he talks about in I will not die in my dilemma I posted it above is what he's referring to. He basically says the same thing then, just he went into more detail at his home church. His body language always seems off, he's not a easy person to read that way. I don't see what he would benefit off telling a lie that makes him look bad though. It would be different if it made him look good, but lie to make himself seem like the opposite of a Christian and he is a pastor? That doesn't make sense to me
Doesn't sound like a very beneficial deception, I don't see what could be gained positively for him on that one bro.

He is as easy to read as a Stop sign.

[BuckeyeBukaroo]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

He is as easy to read as a Stop sign.

It's not worth much, for what it is worth, I disagree with your summation of this good brother.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by JoeBandy

Well Well EB.... your true colors come shining through.. When I first joined I thought you were an egotistical maniac but I kept reading your post and thought, well he is well versed and studied although a little blunt and rough. After this post I realize your are just another keyboard coward! How many post have I read where you have bashed, berated and browbeat others when they have voiced concerns about a pastor or leaders abuse and/or sins?? DOZENS! It is awful strange when it is an issue you agree with how fast you can defend "leadership" and dawg out those that express concerns and sometime even their experience. Even your latest little catch phrase "LISTEN TO YOUR PASTOR". is now a joke coming from you. The man you say is lying is/was pastor to hundreds. SO.... what do you tell people that sit under his pastoral authority (something you obviously believe strongly in)???? You talk out of both sides of your mouth. You are a joke … to yourself, this forum, any member past or present you have berated, to me and prolly most of humanity. Do me, AFF, and your self a favor.. Get off of AFF a while and pray through!!!

Joe, from the looks of it you need to take your own advise.

Joe you need to use the ignore feature, before you start curseing at your monitor.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by BuckeyeBukaroo

It's not worth much, for what it is worth, I disagree with your summation of this good brother.

I believe we disagree on much more than that. But, I don’t believe Brother Arnold had any dream. I believe he dreams, just not that one.

[BuckeyeBukaroo]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

I believe we disagree on much more than that. But, I don’t believe Brother Arnold had any dream. I believe he dreams, just not that one.

Pray tell.

[BuckeyeBukaroo]

Originally Posted by JoeBandy

Well Well EB.... your true colors come shining through.. When I first joined I thought you were an egotistical maniac but I kept reading your post and thought, well he is well versed and studied although a little blunt and rough. After this post I realize your are just another keyboard coward! How many post have I read where you have bashed, berated and browbeat others when they have voiced concerns about a pastor or leaders abuse and/or sins?? DOZENS! It is awful strange when it is an issue you agree with how fast you can defend "leadership" and dawg out those that express concerns and sometime even their experience. Even your latest little catch phrase "LISTEN TO YOUR PASTOR". is now a joke coming from you. The man you say is lying is/was pastor to hundreds. SO.... what do you tell people that sit under his pastoral authority (something you obviously believe strongly in)???? You talk out of both sides of your mouth. You are a joke … to yourself, this forum, any member past or present you have berated, to me and prolly most of humanity. Do me, AFF, and your self a favor.. Get off of AFF a while and pray through!!!

You're being too harsh with your brother-- and over what?