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Old 05-19-2007, 06:13 PM
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So, why were you "hit on" recently? Did the person not know you were married by your actions?
Women are hit on because of the depravity of the other person. ...At least that's the case I'm talking about here... If I had been wearing a wedding band, would that have made any difference? I think not. This person knows I am married and has hit on every married woman in the vicinity - including all the ones who wear wedding bands. From my experiences, married people seem to prefer to hit on other married people. As I have repeatedly said, it doesn't bother me when others wear wedding bands. I am not going to say a person is going to hell for wearing jewelry...However, if I don't wear a wedding band, please don't call me strange, just accept it as I accept others and do not condemn them.
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Does NOT say braid it says broid! NOT the same.
plevgma
1. what is woven, plaited, or twisted together
2. a web, plait, braid
1. of a net
2. of a basket, in which the infant Moses was laid
3. of braided hair

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1. to plait, braid, weave together
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There is no difference between wearing gold or platinum or silver like pearls of diamonds the principle is there NOT or NO jewelry.
Paul did not say "this is a principle" nor did he say he was speaking of jewelry. He did not say jewelry. Period. You are reading that INTO what Paul said. Second he said it to women, if this was a principle why address it to just one sex?

In fact just about anyone can read this and suppose their own "principle" into the text. Another sees that Pauls point is a woman should not stress that outward extravagence but the inward woman of the heart.

And still others see Paul is saying not to weave gold and pearls into the hair, which the women then were prone to do. They prided themselves in their hair and plaited it with various jewels and gold.
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Old 05-19-2007, 06:16 PM
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Does NOT say braid it says broid! NOT the same.
Perhaps you could explain to us the difference!
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Old 05-19-2007, 06:17 PM
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plevgma
1. what is woven, plaited, or twisted together
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1. of a net
2. of a basket, in which the infant Moses was laid
3. of braided hair

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1. to plait, braid, weave together
What was being wove into the hair was the issue however my wife does NOT braid her hair never has. NEXT.
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Old 05-19-2007, 06:18 PM
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Paul did not say "this is a principle" nor did he say he was speaking of jewelry. He did not say jewelry. Period. You are reading that INTO what Paul said. Second he said it to women, if this was a principle why address it to just one sex?

In fact just about anyone can read this and suppose their own "principle" into the text. Another sees that Pauls point is a woman should not stress that outward extravagence but the inward woman of the heart.

And still others see Paul is saying not to weave gold and pearls into the hair, which the women then were prone to do. They prided themselves in their hair and plaited it with various jewels and gold.
Seems simple to me to firbid gold and allow something else is foolish. You are being foolish.
YOU tell us HOW MUCH jewelry has to be worn to violate the passage?
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BTW Jesus also said if you don't HATE you parents you can't enter the kingdom of God. Was he serious? This is known as a hyperbole. It's a way of speaking a literary device

1Pe 3:3 Of whom let not be the adorning of garments, or outward braiding of hair and wearing of gold, or of putting on clothing,

See...why would Peter tell women NOT to adorn themselves with garments? Outward braiding of hair or putting on clothing?

That is absurd! Peter is not telling them to walk around stark naked. He is telling them their true adornment is INWARD. Don't PRIDE yourself in your outward appearence, when you do then you truely are in the wrong. Paul is addressing attitude. An attitude many Pentecostal ladies have despite NOT wearing jewelry. In fact some PRIDE themselves in how long their hair is.

In fact Peter here says the Holy women of God so clothed their heart...they were godly women, yet from what the OT tells us they still wore jewelry!

1Pe 3:4 but let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, the meek and quiet spirit, which is of great price in the sight of God.
1Pe 3:5 For so once indeed the holy women hoping in God adorned themselves, being in subjection to their own husbands;
1Pe 3:6 as Sarah obeyed Abraham, calling him lord; whose children you became, doing good and fearing no terror.
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Old 05-19-2007, 06:24 PM
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BTW Jesus also said if you don't HATE you parents you can't enter the kingdom of God. Was he serious? This is known as a hyperbole. It's a way of speaking a literary device

1Pe 3:3 Of whom let not be the adorning of garments, or outward braiding of hair and wearing of gold, or of putting on clothing,

See...why would Peter tell women NOT to adorn themselves with garments? Outward braiding of hair or putting on clothing?

That is absurd! Peter is not telling them to walk around stark naked. He is telling them their true adornment is INWARD. Don't PRIDE yourself in your outward appearence, when you do then you truely are in the wrong. Paul is addressing attitude. An attitude many Pentecostal ladies have despite NOT wearing jewelry. In fact some PRIDE themselves in how long their hair is.

In fact Peter here says the Holy women of God so clothed their heart...they were godly women, yet from what the OT tells us they still wore jewelry!

1Pe 3:4 but let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, the meek and quiet spirit, which is of great price in the sight of God.
1Pe 3:5 For so once indeed the holy women hoping in God adorned themselves, being in subjection to their own husbands;
1Pe 3:6 as Sarah obeyed Abraham, calling him lord; whose children you became, doing good and fearing no terror.
No argument but the OUTWARD should reflect the INWARD when you saw Tammy or Jan do you think of a Chrisitan woman??????????????
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So, why were you "hit on" recently? Did the person not know you were married by your actions?
LOL! Good catch!

I know who she is. We've had this discussion before........
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Seems simple to me to firbid gold and allow something else is foolish. You are being foolish.
YOU tell us HOW MUCH jewelry has to be worn to violate the passage?
no, you are being foolish. Foolish to force your own interpretation on this passage and insist everyone else is foolish for not agreeing with you.

The mere fact that you agree it is foolish tells me I am right! It IS foolish. That is exactly why YOU are wrong. When it seems foolish it can't be true. Paul was NOT forbidding Jewelry. Nor was Jesus really intending for you to hate your parents. You are missing Paul and Peter's point here. He was not saying Jewelry is wrong for women, ok for men. Peter was NOT saying women should not wear clothes. Yes that is foolish and that is exactly why I say you are not understanding what Paul and Peter were saying.

See you are looking at it too and saying "hmm that does not make sense...Paul and Peter must have meant" and then you interpret it to mean "can't wear any form of jewelry no matter how cheap it is..no ornaments and no expensive clothing"

Except that there is no way to determine what amount of money makes something expensive. If the issue is costly then it should be ok to wear cheap ornaments. If God and Pearls are the issue then ornaments is NOT the issue but expense. If ornaments are the issue then stop wearing a tie! Stop wearing a watch. Ask someone for the time or use the cell phone. Don't wear belts, buy pants that fit and lose weight. Don't buy expensive pens. Buy your shoes and clothes all at the thrift store.

See the whole thing is so subjective elder and FOOLISH. You are the one being foolish.
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