Question about Acts 2:38: What about the martyrs?

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by navygoat1998

Christ said to repent and believe the Gospel.

Even today I still don't see Acts 2:38 as the Gospel of Christ.

Repentance yes, Baptism yes, Baptism of the Holy Ghost nope.

Christ preached believe upon Him and you will have eternal life and won't be put to shame.

Unless of course Christ was mistaken in what He considered the Gospel.

Gospel only means good news. Let's not make more of the term than what it is. And Peter preached the cross and they asked what to do about it. He said acts 2:38. Simple. Acts 2:38 is as much good news as the cross because it is what we're to do with the awareness of the cross. I call that good news.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Esaias

The agenda is to destroy the doctrine of Christ, by substituting some post-modernistic, anti-rational, heuristic gobbledygoop. Just shout some feel good slogans without any intellectual comprehension of the meanings of language and try to drown out the opponent with meme's, one liners, cute internet pics, and ridicule. In fact, when one has no argument, one often resorts to neo-schizophrenic babblings, like a plane jettisoning chaff to try to get the heat seakers off its tail.

The natural man receiveth not the things of God. The carnal mind is not subject to the law of God nor indeed can it be. Etc etc.

God saves by His Word. When a person rejects the Word, they cannot be saved. Perhaps God will grant them repentance, and recover them out of the snare of the devil, but He will never do it apart from His Word. Faith is, in essence, submission to the Word of God.

Right. It's an aversion to Gods work of the cross. Plain and simple. Especially when one declares belief has little transformative power, wow. If a person doesn't believe they perish.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Gospel only means good news. Let's not make more of the term than what it is. And Peter preached the cross and they asked what to do about it. He said acts 2:38. Simple. Acts 2:38 is as much good news as the cross because it is what we're to do with the awareness of the cross. I call that good news.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Right. It's an aversion to Gods work of the cross. Plain and simple. Especially when one declares belief has little transformative power, wow. If a person doesn't believe they perish.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

This is statism? Statism has nothing to do with Christianity, and you are still a troll.

well, how do you know? if you are spouting exactly what they are spouting, how is one to tell? I suspect your Christianity is statist, wadr. And that you are compelled to reduce me to an object--a troll in this case--in order to defend your position. If you fly their flag, use their money, and send your sons to guard their poppy fields...

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by Esaias

The agenda is to destroy the doctrine of Christ, by substituting some post-modernistic, anti-rational, heuristic gobbledygoop. Just shout some feel good slogans without any intellectual comprehension of the meanings of language and try to drown out the opponent with meme's, one liners, cute internet pics, and ridicule. In fact, when one has no argument, one often resorts to neo-schizophrenic babblings, like a plane jettisoning chaff to try to get the heat seakers off its tail.

The natural man receiveth not the things of God. The carnal mind is not subject to the law of God nor indeed can it be. Etc etc.

God saves by His Word. When a person rejects the Word, they cannot be saved. Perhaps God will grant them repentance, and recover them out of the snare of the devil, but He will never do it apart from His Word. Faith is, in essence, submission to the Word of God.

yes--all of it, even the part you will not read, and refuse to answer.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by Aquila

The only way to be certain that one is saved is to obey Acts 2:38. Although yes, God is ultimately every individual's judge, outside of Acts 2:38 there is no real assurance.

I pray that God will have mercy upon them. And I hold out hope that God will have said mercy. However, it is ultimately God's choice, not mine.

then i invite you to explain how the Samaritan is accepted, when he would not have agreed with you here.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by navygoat1998

Christ said to repent and believe the Gospel.

Even today I still don't see Acts 2:38 as the Gospel of Christ.

Repentance yes, Baptism yes, Baptism of the Holy Ghost nope.

Christ preached believe upon Him and you will have eternal life and won't be put to shame.

Unless of course Christ was mistaken in what He considered the Gospel.

amen to that!
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/unfunda...sus-might-ask/

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Shazeep your form of Nicer Than Jesus religion is what helps these guys and gals end up in prison. Who can't tell anyone they're lost or found, but just be nice? Dude, your prison planet was built by the pablum puking change agents like you.

suit yourself--but i can easily show you how it comes directly from "They are lost," sir.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by shazeep

suit yourself--but i can easily show you how it comes directly from "They are lost," sir.

Of course you can, just like you said belief has little transformative power.