Dave Bernard addresses beards

[berkeley]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

I am the pastor it is MY pastorial judgment men cannot have facial hair and be a member of this assembly very simple.

How did you come to this "judgement"?

[CC1]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

I believe communion is a local church setting only members of this assembly is served communion here. I would NOT serve anyone NOT a member here.

Interesting. Is that a common ultra con / AMF view?

[BrotherEastman]

Originally Posted by Ronzo

Give........................... me......................... a............................ break



By the way, I no longer have a wife... well, not officially anyway.




Oh... and a pastor that tells someone they can't have a beard is a.... never mind...

Then ...............you.................are............ .......not....................obligated to go to a church where Jim Jones pastors.




















BTW, I'm sorry to hear about your wife. (sincerely)

[Michlow]

Originally Posted by Sherri

You don't have open communion, where you let the people be the judge? What if someone came up to receive it? Do you tell them NO? I didn't know there were church (outside of Church of Christ) where you had to be a member to take communion.

You know Sherri, its funny. I was saved in Wisconsin. And up there, there are lots of Catholics. And most of the UPC pastors liked to mock the catholics because of all their traditions, and them placing the word of the pope above the Bible.

Is it any surprise that rebellious little me wants to walk right into the church and point at one of those pastors and say "You Are That Catholic!"

[Emma Bontrager]

I still think men without beards look like women. It is so hard to tell the difference when there is not a clear line of demarcation.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Michlow

But what gives you the right to make arbitrary rules, that you have already admitted are not biblical, and use them as criteria by which you deny others membership in the local body and more importantly communion?

I am the pastor that gives me that right. I have the oversight here and I am responsible for the leadership of this local assembly. I will give an account NO ONE else.(Heb. 13:17)

[Michlow]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

I am the pastor that gives me that right. I have the oversight here and I am responsible for the leadership of this local assembly. I will give an account NO ONE else.(Heb. 13:17)

Somehow I doubt that the author of that scripture was referring to matters of personal hygiene.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by CC1

Interesting. Is that a common ultra con / AMF view?

I do not know how anyone else feels but from what I read in 1 Cor. 11 it is a local church practice. Some were told to be refused in 1Cor. 5 how would I know that if they were not members here? Communion is for local church members only.

[CC1]

Originally Posted by Michlow

You know Sherri, its funny. I was saved in Wisconsin. And up there, there are lots of Catholics. And most of the UPC pastors liked to mock the catholics because of all their traditions, and them placing the word of the pope above the Bible.

Is it any surprise that rebellious little me wants to walk right into the church and point at one of those pastors and say "You Are That Catholic!"

The irony of what you described struck me at the early age of about eleven or twelve years old.

I remember thinking, after hearing one of those sermons ripping Roman Catholics and trinitarians as being "bound in tradition" that we (UPC) seemed to be bound in more tradition than any of the people we claimed were.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Berkeley

How did you come to this "judgement"?

The Apostolic ministry made this stand in the 60's and to me the stand was correct then and correct now. It is call precedent.