Welcome Azzan Thread

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by Charnock

Nice post. (seriously)

However, I really don't think it's that hard to deal with.

Love people. Hate sin.

Never confuse those two issues.

So, if you were pastoring now and a homosexual begin attending your services. How would you handle that? Would you make sure your sermons always included the sin of homosexuality? Would you get to know this person, take them to dinner or drive them to the doctor if needed? Or would you fear that others would think because you are reaching out to them that you are accepting his lifestyle.

(I believe I've asked this around a dozen times now)

[*AQuietPlace*]

Originally Posted by Charnock

Sometimes it's just conviction, plain as plain.

Sometimes. But often, not.

[Charnock]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

So, if you were pastoring now and a homosexual begin attending your services. How would you handle that? Would you make sure your sermons always included the sin of homosexuality? Would you get to know this person, take them to dinner or drive them to the doctor if needed? Or would you fear that others would think because you are reaching out to them that you are accepting his lifestyle.

(I believe I've asked this around a dozen times now)

And I'm not going to answer it because 1) you are comparing AFF to a church, and 2) there are way too many variables to be able to answer the question fairly.

[rgcraig]

AQP - - great thoughts and posts! I just wish I could convey them as good as you do.

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by Charnock

And I'm not going to answer it because 1) you are comparing AFF to a church, and 2) there are way too many variables to be able to answer the question fairly.

No, YOU are the one holding AFF to church standards. It's a forum.

[Charnock]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

AQP - - great thoughts and posts! I just wish I could convey them as good as you do.

I wish you could too.

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by Charnock

I wish you could too.

[sandie]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Are you trying to say Charchar is homophobic?

I'm trying to tell him and others like him that he has Jesus confused with the pharisees

[sandie]

Originally Posted by Charnock

Romans 1

18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. 19 For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. 20 For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse. 21 For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Claiming to be wise, they became fools, 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things.

24 Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, 25 because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen.

26 For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; 27 and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.

28 And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done. 29 They were filled with all manner of unrighteousness, evil, covetousness, malice. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, 31 foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32 Though they know God's decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them.

The slide into reprobation follows a predictable pattern.

1. Possess a knowledge of God, and His word.
2. Refuse to honor God, or give thanks to Him.
3. Believe you know more than God (That His word must be mistaken).
4. Worship self (creature instead of Creator).
5. Unlimited, unchecked sinfulness.
6. Perversion of gender and sexual roles.
7. Fusion with groups who accept and tolerate perversion.

1. Who exactly is giving "approval" of this type of sin or any other sin?
2. Can you name names?
3. Did you even read what this man had to say in his post?
4. Do you go on tirads about the fearful? They're going to hell, God has put that sin at the top of the list. Do you witness to the fearful, do you tell them they better shape up? Do you sit next to any at church? Do you accept and tolerate the fearful? Do you associate with any of those people?

5. Why don't you just give in and get to know the Jesus of the Bible?
You'll be freed to love the sinner just like Jesus does...it's liberating, and actually wins souls!

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by sandie

1. Who exactly is giving "approval" of this type of sin or any other sin?
2. Can you name names?
3. Did you even read what this man had to say in his post?
4. Do you go on tirads about the fearful? They're going to hell, God has put that sin at the top of the list. Do you witness to the fearful, do you tell them they better shape up? Do you sit next to any at church? Do you accept and tolerate the fearful? Do you associate with any of those people?

5. Why don't you just give in and get to know the Jesus of the Bible?
You'll be freed to love the sinner just like Jesus does...it's liberating, and actually wins souls!

I offered him a $10,000 cashier's check to do this and nothing is happening.