Apostolic Litumus Test: Do you affirm - Yes or no?

[Brad Murphy]

Which version/language of the Bible is infallible?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by JTULLOCK

The reason to watch or listen is that in the message the preacher is reading from the Greek and English Lexicon by Lidell and Scott. That is why.

That's nice. L&S is a good greek source...I can look at any dictionary and see there are multiple ways of translation, but the meaning is still basically the same.

As for the argument it can mean perform ablutions.

When the greek word is used in the passages were someone is dunked in Water (like Jesus) it's passive. It means GET YOURSELF baptized...and as we see someone else does the baptism. So for the passages we are looking at for baptism it can't mean to perform ablutions as if the candidate washes himself. That is what ablution means.

[Praxeas]

I have to finish listening to it later

[Jack Shephard]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

That's nice. L&S is a good greek source...I can look at any dictionary and see there are multiple ways of translation, but the meaning is still basically the same.

As for the argument it can mean perform ablutions.

When the greek word is used in the passages were someone is dunked in Water (like Jesus) it's passive. It means GET YOURSELF baptized...and as we see someone else does the baptism. So for the passages we are looking at for baptism it can't mean to perform ablutions as if the candidate washes himself. That is what ablution means.

So you aren't going to even listen to it. Are you affraid you will be found wrong?

[Rico]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

Salvation is tied to both, believing and baptism, as well as Spirit indwelling, repentance, living holy, enduring til the end.....

Sister, I am sure that when He said, "He that endureth til the end" He had to have meant something other than "he that endureth til the end." Everything else He said means something other than what He said, so why should this be any different? The only part that means what He said is the part about believing. Everything else is subject to interpretation, dissectilization, intellectualization, and translation, regardless of the abomination that results. (I feel a Jesse Jackson thing a comin on me! )

[Baron1710]

Originally Posted by Rico

Another reason why I let the Normally Incorrect Version fall by the wayside. There is a big difference in "shall" and "should."

And Acts 2:21? Do you have an explain away for that based on the KJV too?

[Rico]

Originally Posted by Baron1710

And Acts 2:21? Do you have an explain away for that based on the KJV too?

Now everybody who prays is saved too? Man, the list just keeps getting longer and longer and longer. All the members of Congress prayed when 9/11 happened. Guess that means they are all going to Heaven now too? Republicans and them evil baby killin democrats. I am having so much fun today.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Rico

Now everybody who prays is saved too? Man, the list just keeps getting longer and longer and longer. All the members of Congress prayed when 9/11 happened. Guess that means they are all going to Heaven now too? Republicans and them evil baby killin democrats. I am having so much fun today.

Okay, I know I've been working with paint stripper and mineral spirits sooooo....given that, am I understanding some saying we don't need to be baptized now?

[Tim Rutledge]

Originally Posted by Rico

Sister, I am sure that when He said, "He that endureth til the end" He had to have meant something other than "he that endureth til the end." Everything else He said means something other than what He said, so why should this be any different? The only part that means what He said is the part about believing. Everything else is subject to interpretation, dissectilization, intellectualization, and translation, regardless of the abomination that results. (I feel a Jesse Jackson thing a comin on me! )

[Rico]

Rico><Y'all

'Cept, of course, I won't be looking at y'all the way this guy is!