Anointing

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

Absolutely not, as you well know.

Anointing is something God gives, an empowerment that enables us to do something in the Kingdom. It is a spiritual thing, but affects us emotionally.

Elijah was instructed by God to anoint three men:

Jehu, Hazael, and Elisha.

All three were anointed, but two of them were very likely lost.

The anointing is functionary, an empowerment enabling us to advance God's purpose.

God will anoint even the unsaved it is suits His purpose.

He anointed Nebuchadnezzar, but didn't approve his doctrine or lifestyle.

You make some interesting points but I'm not convinced, yet. Can you relate this more to the NT. The high priest, Caiphas spoke a word of prophecy how one man should die for the nation that the nation should be saved. Was that what you would call an anointing?

Do you think men and women not baptized in the Holy Spirit can preach or teach with an anointing? How would you compare that anointing to someone who is baptized with the Spirit?

What about this verse?

1Jo 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

It sounds like John believes the anointing is the gift of the Holy Spirit IN us. I'm a little confused. Are there different anointings?

[Coonskinner]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

You make some interesting points but I'm not convinced, yet. Can you relate this more to the NT. The high priest, Caiphas spoke a word of prophecy how one man should die for the nation that the nation should be saved. Was that what you would call an anointing?

Do you think men and women not baptized in the Holy Spirit can preach or teach with an anointing? How would you compare that anointing to someone who is baptized with the Spirit?

What about this verse?

1Jo 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

It sounds like John believes the anointing is the gift of the Holy Spirit IN us. I'm a little confused. Are there different anointings?

The key to interpreting any verse or passage is made up of three things:

1.Context

2.Context

3.Context

The Holy Spirit is a river; there are different tributaries. The Gifts of the Spirit are an example.

As to whether there are different anointings or not, we could dilly-dally all day about that.

Suffice to say that there are certainly different expressions of the anointing.

In my opinion, you cannot ignore the Old Testament when seeking to understand the anointing.

As to the accurate prophecy of Caiphas, God is sovereign, and the works of the Holy Ghost can never be reduced to equations and methodology, or even logic as we know it, because just about the time you think you get it all figured out, God will exercise His sovereignty and mess up your theories.

Furthermore, you don't formulate entire doctrinal conclusions from exceptional events.

Several exceptional events happened when the Lawgiver walked the earth.

The thief on the cross, the mini resurrection of saints, and the sudden eclipse are examples.

[stmatthew]

Originally Posted by Thad

And this is exactly where many people get tripped up, especially emotionally driven people. They see someone highly anointed and cannot seperate it from anything else including biblical absolutes.

My Question is, can a person have all truth but no anointing, no spirit, no Fruit of the spirit, no genuine love for souls, just biblical truth and obedience to rules and laws and still be righteous ?. I'm talking about the other extreme end of the spectrum.

This is a good post!


It takes BOTH Spirit and Truth to truly worship the Father. Those that have all the rules down, yet do not have the the fruit of the Spirit do not have the breath that makes the Word living.

[stmatthew]

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

Absolutely not, as you well know.

Anointing is something God gives, an empowerment that enables us to do something in the Kingdom. It is a spiritual thing, but affects us emotionally.

Elijah was instructed by God to anoint three men:

Jehu, Hazael, and Elisha.

All three were anointed, but two of them were very likely lost.

The anointing is functionary, an empowerment enabling us to advance God's purpose.

God will anoint even the unsaved it is suits His purpose.

He anointed Nebuchadnezzar, but didn't approve his doctrine or lifestyle.

So it is possible that one could follow one with the "anointing" rather than one with true doctrine, be deceived into believing a lie, and becoming damned?

[Walk and Talk]

Originally Posted by stmatthew

So it is possible that one could follow one with the "anointing" rather than one with true doctrine, be deceived into believing a lie, and becoming damned?

YES to believing a lie. God only knows regarding the "becoming damned."

[Coonskinner]

Originally Posted by stmatthew

So it is possible that one could follow one with the "anointing" rather than one with true doctrine, be deceived into believing a lie, and becoming damned?

This is an extremely common scenario.

[Raven]

Originally Posted by stmatthew

Anointing. What is it really? How does one recognize it when it is present? What does it mean when one says that someone is anointed?

I have often heard some state that a certain preacher was "anointed", or that the singer was "anointed". But what was the telltale sign that they were "anointed"? Was it because the hearer "felt" goosebumps, or that their emotions were stirred?

splain it to me!

I'm not sure anyone could aptly describe it but I think we all know when it is absent. J.T. Pugh preached [with anointing] a message entitled "Anointed But Not Blessed". It is very good and would benefit anyone who took the time to listen if you can find a copy.
Raven

[Felicity]

In regard to anointing....

I think when you've been around and experienced the "authentic" you pick up on what isn't pretty quickly.

Any understanding of what is and isn't "anointing" has to also be measured by and based upon the Word of God -- all of it.

I think that many are duped because of what they "see". Because someone has a certain style or manner that some connect with "anointing" it isn't necessarily. It can look like the authentic but not necessarily be. It can sound like the authentic but not necessarily be.

• Spiritual discernment
  
  
• A solid understanding and knowledge of Scripture
  
  
• Having known and experienced, seen and heard the genuine anointing of the Holy Ghost
  
  
• Time spent in the presence of God ... getting to know HIM and going deep into the things of God

.... will pretty much guarantee immediate recognition of what is and isn't true "anointing".

[Bro-Larry]

Originally Posted by stmatthew

Anointing. What is it really? How does one recognize it when it is present? What does it mean when one says that someone is anointed?

I have often heard some state that a certain preacher was "anointed", or that the singer was "anointed". But what was the telltale sign that they were "anointed"? Was it because the hearer "felt" goosebumps, or that their emotions were stirred?

splain it to me!

The word "CHRIST" means : "the anointed one." In the OT, many examples of people having oil poured on their heads. Aaron, Saul, David, etc. Those officially anointed were usually either a prophet, a priest or a king. The HG would occasionally come upon them for a special purpose but did not abide on them all the time. This oil was a type of the HG anointing to come later. (Elizabeth, John Baptist, Mary, Jesus' mother, and others.)

Jesus was the first one to have the HG come upon Him and stay. At His baptism (John 1:32-33) Jesus was anointed of the HG and that anointing never left Him. When He went to Nazareth He read Isaiah 61:1, and told them that He had fulfilled it in their ears. (Lk 4:21). Every Jew knew that "the anointed one" was the Messiah. That's why they tried to kill Him.

Today, if you have received the HG, you have the same anointing abiding in you (1 Jn 2:27). The "unction from the Holy One" in vs. 20, also refers the anointing. It is not always in maifestation, but it is always in you.

[Falla39]

Originally Posted by big-larry

The word "CHRIST" means : "the anointed one." In the OT, many examples of people having oil poured on their heads. Aaron, Saul, David, etc. Those officially anointed were usually either a prophet, a priest or a king. The HG would occasionally come upon them for a special purpose but did not abide on them all the time. This oil was a type of the HG anointing to come later. (Elizabeth, John Baptist, Mary, Jesus' mother, and others.)

Jesus was the first one to have the HG come upon Him and stay. At His baptism (John 1:32-33) Jesus was anointed of the HG and that anointing never left Him. When He went to Nazareth He read Isaiah 61:1, and told them that He had fulfilled it in their ears. (Lk 4:21). Every Jew knew that "the anointed one" was the Messiah. That's why they tried to kill Him.

Today, if you have received the HG, you have the same anointing abiding in you (1 Jn 2:27). The "unction from the Holy One" in vs. 20, also refers the anointing. It is not always in maifestation, but it is always in you.

Good scriptural answer, Big Larry!

Falla39