BTW, unless God smacks me uposide the head, there is no way on God's green earth I would ever do what I did again. I am thankful for what God has done, but it has taken an immeasurable toll on my wife's health and our finances.
I seriously doubt I will ever pastor again if I ever resign the church I planted.
I just don't have the energy. I have been running, running, running with far too little rest for way too long.
I would plant myself somewhere and assist someone else.
BTW, I hope I don't sound whiney, I am just being real.
Understand.
__________________ Smiles & Blessings.... ~Felicity Welsh~ (surname courtesy of Jim Yohe)
wow surprises never cease to exist! PP complimenting my thread??
can you clarify and/or qualify some of your statments?
how do you define traditional conventional ministry & a rustic religious system ? are you specifially talking about UPC ?
I thought I was rather specific, but oh well.
No I am not speaking specifically about the UPC. I am speaking about an American mindset, perhaps advertised by the church, that a minister must be a man of complete and utter self-denial - to the detriment of his income, health, and family.
There ARE other ways to minister than simply being voted in or "taking" a church. Many young men are choosing to walk alternative paths of Christian service.
There ARE other ways to minister than simply being voted in or "taking" a church. Many young men are choosing to walk alternative paths of Christian service.
As in???
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"Rules without relationship lead to rebellion." Dr. James Dobson
"You don't need a license to preach, or teach, or win souls." RonB
"In all my perplexities and distresses, the Bible has never failed to give me light and strength." Robert E. Lee (1807-1870)
Never tell a young person that anything cannot be done. God may have been waiting centuries for someone ignorant enough of the impossible to do that very thing. ~ John Andrew Holmes
Writing books, conference speaking, skeletal fellowships across denominational barriers, chairing community action groups that support the needy, Christian counseling services, internet based ministries....
you think people are easy to deal with in our times randy ?
you ought to try pastoring for a while then come back and post about it
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Originally Posted by Felicity
Yea and amen!
Nobody said People were easy...but mass transit means there is a problem somewhere... whether it's leadership...family or whatever... if folks are coming and going there is a problem somewhere...
What I have learned in Pastoring the folks we win are the folks we keep... the folks others have won and came to visit for short while are just that ... short timers... most move on... some nest and rest... some snort and chuckle... and some get on down the road...
Writing books, conference speaking, skeletal fellowships across denominational barriers, chairing community action groups that support the needy, Christian counseling services, internet based ministries....
need I go on?
all of this is hogwash and you KNOW it... unless your spittin' screamin' and red faced and shallowed breath you ain't got a ministry!! come PP git wit the program!!
Writing books, conference speaking, skeletal fellowships across denominational barriers, chairing community action groups that support the needy, Christian counseling services, internet based ministries....
need I go on?
In my case, I work as a helper to my pastor in what ever roll is needed. I am not the pastor, I dont want his job, but that doesnt deminsh my roll, or my calling.
to some however, that means i am not a minister. they are completely wrong.
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