On Trump's National Emergency Call

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

What you need to understand is that our voting electorate has not changed. We are a 50/50 nation. Independents don't want either party and vote the issues alone. That means that mainstream America remains the same - USA, USA!

As Ferd has aptly stated, the country was in need of a fighter and voted for Trump. I agree, even though I didn't vote for him. He has certainly been a fighter. The Left's coup d'etat hasn't worked.

It doesn't matter that our political parties, Hollywood, or the media, who largely tries to keep a divide, are not really changing what we believe. The Left has been the Left for years. The Right has been the Right.

To bring the focus on doomsday - all the time - is overlooking that fact and overlooking that God is in control no matter what comes or goes.

It is also, IMO, overlooking the fact that just because we can't see what God is doing, doesn't mean He is not working.

So, I don't care what Trump tweets or what he says at rallies. I am paying attention to the people and trusting God to do what He promised He would do - pour out His Spirit upon all flesh.

Like I said, the 19th Amendment sealed our fate.

God is certainly in control. Which is exactly why we are where we are today.

The electorate hasn't changed? That's funny right there.

[votivesoul]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Regardless of some apparent failures, flags do represent allegiance to a specific country. Why don't we fly the Mexican flag? Because, we are the United States of America whether you like it here or not.

Just about everything you write about and comment on shows a good deal of doom and despair on your part.

Did someone steal your puppy when you were a little boy?

Prophets who prophesy peace when there is no peace are of no use to YHVH.

[votivesoul]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

What you need to understand is that our voting electorate has not changed. We are a 50/50 nation. Independents don't want either party and vote the issues alone. That means that mainstream America remains the same - USA, USA!

As Ferd has aptly stated, the country was in need of a fighter and voted for Trump. I agree, even though I didn't vote for him. He has certainly been a fighter. The Left's coup d'etat hasn't worked.

It doesn't matter that our political parties, Hollywood, or the media, who largely tries to keep a divide, are not really changing what we believe. The Left has been the Left for years. The Right has been the Right.

To bring the focus on doomsday - all the time - is overlooking that fact and overlooking that God is in control no matter what comes or goes.

It is also, IMO, overlooking the fact that just because we can't see what God is doing, doesn't mean He is not working.

So, I don't care what Trump tweets or what he says at rallies. I am paying attention to the people and trusting God to do what He promised He would do - pour out His Spirit upon all flesh.

God was in control when the Assyrians overran the ten northern tribes, slaughtered most of them, and took the rest captive with fishhooks in their mouths and death marched them hundreds of miles into eventual slavery and oblivion from the pages of history.

God was in control when Babylon destroyed Judah and Jerusalem and the Temple as a divine retribution from the hand of the Lord, when the elderly, children, and even pregnant women were savaged, when starving parents boiled and ate their babies because of the famine.

God was in control when His Son was murdered, when Stephen was stoned, when James was beheaded, when Antipas was martyred, and etc. 70 AD, anyone?

Now, the USA is not Israel or Judah of yore, but just because "God is in control" doesn't mean that what God is intending is not going to be a kind of hell on earth if at any time He decides to pluck up a nation that will not repent.

It's easy to say God is in control until it's your kids starving to death, or your spouse being crucified, or your pregnant belly being cut open.

So, at least be realistic and (seemingly) less naive about what it means for God to be in control. It might make the possible horrors to come more tolerable. But just thinking He's going to spare His people from atrocity is to deny the historical record found in His Word and in other places.

[Pressing-On]

Rather than naivete, I would prefer to be inspired by the boldness of the Apostles and someone like Corrie Ten Boom.

A few quotes by Corrie:

"Worry does not empty tomorrow of its sorrow, it empties today of its strength."

"Worrying is carrying tomorrow's load with today's strength - carrying two days at once. It is moving into tomorrow ahead of time. Worrying doesn't empty tomorrow of its sorrow, it empties today of its strength."

"If you look at the world, you'll be distressed. If you look within, you'll be depressed. If you look at God you'll be at rest."

My quote: "Fearmongering is a lot like believing in Aliens or Big Foot. It's a waste of time and mental energy."

Unless God specifically speaks to us about an upcoming event or calamity, as He has done the Prophets, we would do well to keep our mouths shut. I doubt anyone here can claim that title. Because it is simply our own opinion, which is its only merit, and simply speculation.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by votivesoul

Prophets who prophesy peace when there is no peace are of no use to YHVH.

I wouldn't label Esaias a prophet. And who is YHVH? All that you do in word or deed, do in the NAME OF JESUS.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Unless God specifically speaks to us about an upcoming event or calamity, as He has done the Prophets, we would do well to keep our mouths shut.

When are you going to follow your own advice? Just wondering.

[votivesoul]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Rather than naivete, I would prefer to be inspired by the boldness of the Apostles and someone like Corrie Ten Boom.

A few quotes by Corrie:

"Worry does not empty tomorrow of its sorrow, it empties today of its strength."

"Worrying is carrying tomorrow's load with today's strength - carrying two days at once. It is moving into tomorrow ahead of time. Worrying doesn't empty tomorrow of its sorrow, it empties today of its strength."

"If you look at the world, you'll be distressed. If you look within, you'll be depressed. If you look at God you'll be at rest."

My quote: "Fearmongering is a lot like believing in Aliens or Big Foot. It's a waste of time and mental energy."

Unless God specifically speaks to us about an upcoming event or calamity, as He has done the Prophets, we would do well to keep our mouths shut. I doubt anyone here can claim that title. Because it is simply our own opinion, which is its only merit, and simply speculation.

By your definition, the Prophets were all of them fearmongers, because they never prophesied anything but judgment and destruction, (occasionally with some hope afterward). And they all of them were summarily ignored, ridiculed, and persecuted by those who didn't believe they truly spoke in the name of "YHVH" (See next post).

This includes Jesus, too, who commanded His disciples to run for their lives when they saw Jerusalem surrounded by armies. He's a fearmonger, too?

And if someone did speak to you or the Body, as a prophet, of an upcoming event or calamity, what makes you so certain you'd even listen? Wouldn't you just accuse them of being a fearmonger and throw some Corrie ten Boom shade at them?

[votivesoul]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

I wouldn't label Esaias a prophet.

That's too bad. He's one of the few people I've met, in person, or online, who's actually paying attention.

And who is YHVH? All that you do in word or deed, do in the NAME OF JESUS.

Finish the quote, Sister. It reads "giving thanks to God and the Father by him".

That same God and Father who said in Exodus 3:15 that YHVH is His name forever. Jesus said He declared/revealed/made known His Father's name to His disciples in John 17:26. He came in His Father's name, not His own (John 5:43), and performed His Father's works in the Father's name (John 10:25).

Revelation 14:1 reads that the Lamb's Father's name is written in the foreheads of the 144,000 virgin disciples. Earlier, Revelation 3:12, Jesus says He will write the name of His God upon the overcomers in Philadelphia.

There is only one candidate for the name of the Lamb's God and Father's name, to be written upon people, and that is YHVH, the Tetragrammaton from Exodus 3:15 and elsewhere.

Now, I don't expect agreement here, but let us digress back to the original intent of the thread.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by votivesoul

By your definition, the Prophets were all of them fearmongers, because they never prophesied anything but judgment and destruction, (occasionally with some hope afterward). And they all of them were summarily ignored, ridiculed, and persecuted by those who didn't believe they truly spoke in the name of "YHVH" (See next post).

This includes Jesus, too, who commanded His disciples to run for their lives when they saw Jerusalem surrounded by armies. He's a fearmonger, too?

And if someone did speak to you or the Body, as a prophet, of an upcoming event or calamity, what makes you so certain you'd even listen? Wouldn't you just accuse them of being a fearmonger and throw some Corrie ten Boom shade at them?

What in the world do Chemtrails and other fearmongering topics have to do with the Prophets of old or prophecy in general? So what if the Presbyterian church has gay ministers. The Catholics always have.

What does any of that have to do with the people of the name - you know - Jesus and not YHVH XYZ?

We shouldn't broadbrush any group that believes there is a God for the ones that actually serve Him in truth. That's all I am saying. The Word says that in the last days, He will pour out of Spirit upon all flesh. That doesn't sound like we are headed toward doomsday to me.

Amerika is GONE - It's OVER - WE are DOOMED.

Hogwash!

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

The Word says that in the last days, He will pour out of Spirit upon all flesh. That doesn't sound like we are headed toward doomsday to me.

That was fulfilled in Acts ch 2, some 2000 years ago. The original apostolic preacher, Peter, said so. That's Bible.

Like I said, can't see past your own apron. Not interested in seeing where we've been, where we are, and what led to it.

Chemtrails? While not all that important, a wee bit more interesting topic than Xmas decorations or cookie recipes. But I wouldn't expect you to get that. You're not here to learn anything, remember?